Dish's FCC Filing on E-14 Satellite to 119 W

[djmaui]

A first look at the Echostar 14 Conus Footprint.

Red is about 40 dBw.

Mexico City viewers are not going to be happy with a dBw of about 30.

Great maps. Thanks again.

What's the dBw value for the yellow line? I'm looking at Hawaii.

Mahalo

[mike123abc]

One other thing as I reread the summary.

Anyone else think Echostar 15 might have a similar configuration? A satellite like this could completely replace E3 AND E12.

Seeing the incredible capabilities of E11 and now E14, it is clear Dish is not skimping on their satellites.

Looking it up, it seems Nimiq 5 and Quetzsat 1 will both be SS/L 1300 sats. Let's hope the Dish design philosophy carried through on these sats, too.

Dish is definitely not skimping on the satellites. The problem seems to be getting them built and launched before the current satellites break down.

[nelson61]

Great maps. Thanks again.

What's the dBw value for the yellow line? I'm looking at Hawaii.

Mahalo

Yellow is approximately 50 dBw. Should be strong with 24 inch antenna

[rocatman]

One other thing as I reread the summary.

Anyone else think Echostar 15 might have a similar configuration? A satellite like this could completely replace E3 AND E12.

Seeing the incredible capabilities of E11 and now E14, it is clear Dish is not skimping on their satellites.

Looking it up, it seems Nimiq 5 and Quetzsat 1 will both be SS/L 1300 sats. Let's hope the Dish design philosophy carried through on these sats, too.

Nimiq 5 is a CONUS/CONCanada satellite only, no spotbeams. Still wonder if Dish will end up being able to use all 32 TPs on it similar to Ciel-2. I would expect Quetzsat-1 to have massive spotbeam capabilities for the U.S. I believe Dish will have use of 24 TPs on it and most should be used for spotbeams. It probably will be similar to Ciel-2. E-14 and E-15 should have more flexibility in their use since Dish owns them and based on past history, Dish is not reluctant to move satellites around to different slots depending on their changing strategy.

[HDRoberts]

Nimiq 5 is a CONUS/CONCanada satellite only, no spotbeams. Still wonder if Dish will end up being able to use all 32 TPs on it similar to Ciel-2. I would expect Quetzsat-1 to have massive spotbeam capabilities for the U.S. I believe Dish will have use of 24 TPs on it and most should be used for spotbeams. It probably will be similar to Ciel-2. E-14 and E-15 should have more flexibility in their use since Dish owns them and based on past history, Dish is not reluctant to move satellites around to different slots depending on their changing strategy.

Looking at it further, seems Nimiq 5 will be a rather basic SS/L 1300, while Quetzsat 1 will be on the expanded 1300 frame, same as E11, E14, and E15.

Hey, here is a question: I know Dish can use 24 77W transponders for US service, and has to use 8 for Mexican service. Can Dish reuse those 8 TPs with spots focused in the Northern US?

[rocatman]

Looking at it further, seems Nimiq 5 will be a rather basic SS/L 1300, while Quetzsat 1 will be on the expanded 1300 frame, same as E11, E14, and E15.

Hey, here is a question: I know Dish can use 24 77W transponders for US service, and has to use 8 for Mexican service. Can Dish reuse those 8 TPs with spots focused in the Northern US?

I don't see why not. The only thing limiting is the cost of the satellite. Greater complexity drives greater power needs both which increase the weight of the satellite. Not only do the satellite costs go up but also the launch costs. Another question to be answered is if Dish gets use of all 32 TPs on Nimiq 5, can they put all or almost all CONUS programming both HD and SD on those 32 TPs using MPEG-4. If they can then Dish could use 61.5 W and 77 W almost exclusively for locals on spotbeams. Then Eastern Arc customers would only need to have dishes needed to pick up only two slots either 61.5 and 72.7 W or 72.7 and 77 W.

[digiblur]

I don't see why not. The only thing limiting is the cost of the satellite. Greater complexity drives greater power needs both which increase the weight of the satellite. Not only do the satellite costs go up but also the launch costs. Another question to be answered is if Dish gets use of all 32 TPs on Nimiq 5, can they put all or almost all CONUS programming both HD and SD on those 32 TPs using MPEG-4. If they can then Dish could use 61.5 W and 77 W almost exclusively for locals on spotbeams. Then Eastern Arc customers would only need to have dishes needed to pick up only two slots either 61.5 and 72.7 W or 72.7 and 77 W.

Even if they could do this, it would be more cost effective to just use the 1000.4, one dish to stock for WA, and it would give them more flexibility in case of failures..maintenance, etc, to be able to move things around between the 3 birds. Just like the 3 LNB dish was standard for DirecTV SD installations even though the customer might not have needed anything off of 110 and/or 119, especially if they were a SD customer.

[HDRoberts]

I don't see why not. The only thing limiting is the cost of the satellite. Greater complexity drives greater power needs both which increase the weight of the satellite. Not only do the satellite costs go up but also the launch costs. Another question to be answered is if Dish gets use of all 32 TPs on Nimiq 5, can they put all or almost all CONUS programming both HD and SD on those 32 TPs using MPEG-4. If they can then Dish could use 61.5 W and 77 W almost exclusively for locals on spotbeams. Then Eastern Arc customers would only need to have dishes needed to pick up only two slots either 61.5 and 72.7 W or 72.7 and 77 W.

Another problem for that is customers set up like me, with 110/119 and 61.5. Move all the HD to 72.7, and Dish has a lot of repoints to do in the Northeast US.

Dish certainly seems willing to buy high powered, complex satellites. Only concern is SES is buing Quetzsat-1, not Dish.

[rocatman]

Another problem for that is customers set up like me, with 110/119 and 61.5. Move all the HD to 72.7, and Dish has a lot of repoints to do in the Northeast US.

Dish certainly seems willing to buy high powered, complex satellites. Only concern is SES is buing Quetzsat-1, not Dish.

True about repoints, your setup is the same as mine. In regards to Quetzsat-1, Dish is providing funds for its construction just like it did for Ciel-2 which SES was involved in as well.

[djmaui]

Yellow is approximately 50 dBw. Should be strong with 24 inch antenna

Thanks.