Dish's FCC Filing on E-14 Satellite to 119 W

**nelson61** · 05-20-2009 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by djmaui

Thanks.

Still working on them but there are Hawaii spots also

**djmaui** · 05-20-2009 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by nelson61

Still working on them but there are Hawaii spots also

Cool. I don't know what Dish's future programming plans for 119 are, but it's good to know that we'll continue to get a strong 119 conus signal along with a Hawaii spot (similar to 110 - via e*10 & 11).

Does anyone out there have a scoop on what upcoming programming changes are in the works at 110/119/129 (and 148)? For instance, it looks as though they may be trying to consolidate conus HD Nationals onto 129 by moving them over from 110 (e*11). Why else would they put a bunch of stuff on the 129 spots for HI/AK that we were already receiving just fine on e*11 conus?

**MexicoPete** · 05-23-2009 02:41 PM

In my case I'm glad they have delayed the launch of E 14. I head south from Seattle every winter with my 211 HD receiver and we already lost signals in Guadalajara, Mexico when the new bird went up at 110 W and the projected footprints look just as bad in our part of Mexico for the new bird at 119 W. I'm also not doing very well even with a 2.4 meter dish with the new bird 129 W. Maybe it's time to place the LNB on my almost Ku band, 12 ft C band mess dish and point it toward 129 W

Oh well at least when I'm in Seattle (where I am now) I get good signals on 110,
119, and 129 W.

Oh and I am happy to add that those who are using FTA in Mexico are very worried as they loose channels as DISH upgrades its signals to Navigravision 3 or whatever it's called that they are doing.

I was lucky my smart card arrived (it had to be forwarded to me because I still was in Mexico) on the day I lost programming.

**Fitzie** · 05-24-2009 11:34 PM

Rocatman and Nelson61, thanks for another interesting thread and some nice pictures.

I noticed E5 reached 147.5 safely.

Best regards,
Fitzie

**tuti** · 05-25-2009 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by nelson61

A first look at the Echostar 14 Conus Footprint.

Red is about 40 dBw.

Mexico City viewers are not going to be happy with a dBw of about 30.

How does this compare with Ciel 2? (129 W) and 110 W with regards to Mexico City?

**nelson61** · 05-25-2009 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by tuti

How does this compare with Ciel 2? (129 W) and 110 W with regards to Mexico City?

Not good at all. If the predicted E14 EIRP for Mexico City is real, Mexico City can kiss goodby to the channels carried by E7 when E14 replaces it next March. A 2.4 meter antenna would not be big enough.

You always have the hope that they are too conservative in their predictions, but they are getting more and more accurate with each new satellite.

**tuti** · 05-25-2009 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by nelson61

Not good at all. If the predicted E14 EIRP for Mexico City is real, Mexico City can kiss goodby to the channels carried by E7 when E14 replaces it next March. A 2.4 meter antenna would not be big enough.

You always have the hope that they are too conservative in their predictions, but they are getting more and more accurate with each new satellite.

Thanks for the info.Hope they are too conservative.Can you please tellme what the Db is for 110 W?

**nelson61** · 06-17-2009 11:02 PM

There is a continuing war between Directv, Echostar, and Spectrum Five regarding permits. It revolves around the new 4.5 degree spacing for BSS 12.2-12.7 interference and the new 17Ghz BSS spacing and interference.

Here is Spectrum's latest salvo attacking Echostar.

http://licensing.fcc.gov/ibfsweb/ib....ent_key=717722

Only comment I have is that Spectrum lives in a glass house and is throwing rocks. I have no idea how they managed to get their 12,2-12-7 license at 114.5W over the objections of the other two combatants. That particular Spectrum Five license is riddled with errors, omissions and inconsistancies and makes the Echostar 14 applicaton look like a crown jewel in comparison.

**Smith, P.** · 06-18-2009 12:46 AM

While I could agree with your points nelson61; I see same ignorant behavior for Dish - they must include in their FCC filing all outcomes regarding interference with future S5's sat at 114.5W.

**nelson61** · 06-18-2009 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Smith, P.

While I could agree with your points nelson61; I see same ignorant behavior for Dish - they must include in their FCC filing all outcomes regarding interference with future S5's sat at 114.5W.

You tell me how Echostar can predict an interference with the adjacent Spectrum 114.5W satellite. Their grant narrative includes a description of 4 wide beams and properly filled out the Schedule S (exlcuding correct gxt contour submissions) but said they are changing the design to 53 beams numbered 1T thru 53T. They also said they would update the filiings to resolve this conflict.

Then, they submitted filing for 21 transmitter gxt countour beams (not the 53 described in the Schedule S). Those beams are labled B01-B20 and Conus and with peak gain numbers that do not match any of the technical specifications for each beam filed in the Schedule. S

The 114 rules are specific and require that filing are correct. The "Public" ( you and I individually and Echostar also) are not expected to have to dig thru masses of filings and data calculations to figurre out what the licensee intends to do. It was not Echostar or Directv's job to see that data they needed was presented in the FCC approved forms.

That is what the rules are for - to put all the facts out in a standard form (Schedule S included) so everyone is reading off the sampe page for a license that is going to last at leat 15 years.

We should all be concerned when sloppy filings are allowed to pass thru the system which is exactly what happened in the case of Spectrum Five at 114.5W