Dish HD Channel Moves Coming...

**rglore** · 07-17-2009 12:46 PM

Nothing says they are cramming them all on the same transponder on the satellite they move them to.

**TheKrell** · 07-17-2009 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by cwk3

I guess I just didn't understand why the 77w wing dish didn't try to pull in extra channels when I installed and did the check switch.

The dishes and LNBs are stupid. They just sit pointed at one satellite location and send the same signal down the wire all day long, 24/7. In the case of DishPro LNBs, there is a 1-to-1 correspondence between satellite location and the attached cable. There is one cable per satellite. The DishPro LNB sends both polarizations down that one wire simultaneously, continuously, and forever until it either loses power, or the dish falls over.

It's OK if your dish setup has the same exact channel on several satellites. That happens all the time. It's your receiver that decides which satellite to tune in when you select a channel number with multiple sources. Usually we don't even care which satellite it picks. But if your LOS to one satellite is marginal (e.g. leaves grow in the way), or the satellite itself is weak or failing, such as Echostar 5 formerly at 129, then we might care. But we can't do anything about that selection without covering up or unplugging the undesired LNB.

**digiblur** · 07-17-2009 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by HDRoberts

Could they be starting the rumored "mixed" transponders, with a few HD and SD on the same TP?

I'm sure they will at least spread the 14 out, perhaps putting some on the existing HD TPs. Maybe they will get rid of some HD PPV now that they have multiple HD on demand options.

Not rumored.... that's already here and has been. Look at EA. MPEG4 SD and HD on the same transponder.

Or there is a rather unique one... MPEG4 HD and MPEG2 SD on the same transponder. SatelliteGuys.US - Subscription 129°W

**HDRoberts** · 07-17-2009 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by digiblur

Not rumored.... that's already here and has been. Look at EA. MPEG4 SD and HD on the same transponder.

Or there is a rather unique one... MPEG4 HD and MPEG2 SD on the same transponder. SatelliteGuys.US - Subscription 129°W

So far just on spotbeams, CONUS locals on 77, and at 148. CONUS national programming is still separate. Even on the EA, look at 72.7. 3TPs of national HD, the rest MPEG4 SD and Audio.

**digiblur** · 07-17-2009 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by HDRoberts

So far just on spotbeams, CONUS locals on 77, and at 148. CONUS national programming is still separate. Even on the EA, look at 72.7. 3TPs of national HD, the rest MPEG4 SD and Audio.

Correct, you won't see mixed SD and HD nationals for quite a while on WA. There's a ton of non-8PSK boxes out there. There's nothing special about it...even if you had MPEG4 HD and MPEG2 SD on QPSK transponder and had an old Dish 3000 receiver tuning it, it would view the MPEG2 SD just fine, as the receiver only looks at the part of the stream containing the pieces for the MPEG2 SD video.

**bisque** · 07-17-2009 03:12 PM

Im set up on 110/119/61.5 and after looking at tp21 on 61.5..and checking the channel chart, I dont see those channels mirrored on 110 or 119, so when they move to 77, will I lose them ?

hope I read things wrong...

edit - it appears the additions to the new HD transponder on 110 match the channels on tp21-61.5. doh.

**levibluewa** · 07-17-2009 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by cwk3

I have a 1000.2 (110, 119, 129) with a wing dish for 77w for local HD in Arkansas. It is my understanding that 77 ea is the same as 129 (or which ever) in the western arc so I'm curious why or how the wing dish doesn't conflict with the same channesl on the wa or how does the 722k know which one to pull off of.

I believe that's where the software takes over. Just like it favors the 129 over the 118.75

**K9SAT** · 07-17-2009 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by gjh3260

I agree. I am sure everybody's favorite team is "important". Go Twins

Yep, Thats the main issue why Im not with dish today! Still love the company, but if they cant fill my needs then I obviously have gone elsewhere. Its like sex.. If you cant get that lovin feeling, then obvously your going to get it elsewhere

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**HDRoberts** · 07-17-2009 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by goaliebob99

Yep, Thats the main issue why Im not with dish today! Still love the company, but if they cant fill my needs then I obviously have gone elsewhere. Its like sex.. If you cant get that lovin feeling, then obvously your going to get it elsewhere

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Thing is, the need of the average sub is not 24/7 RSNs. If anything, my need is for AMC, IFC, TCM, HLN, ESPNU, E!, G4, Hallmark, and Outdoor, which blowing more TPs just might force them to not carry for a long time. Let directv blow 30+ HD slots on sports only a limited number of subs can see.

Don't get me wrong, 24/7 RSNs in HD would be great, but put them on spotbeams. Then you can get YOUR team in HD without clogging bandwidth for national HD.

**Laddyboy** · 07-17-2009 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by bisque

Im set up on 110/119/61.5 and after looking at tp21 on 61.5..and checking the channel chart, I dont see those channels mirrored on 110 or 119, so when they move to 77, will I lose them ?

hope I read things wrong...

edit - it appears the additions to the new HD transponder on 110 match the channels on tp21-61.5. doh.

I believe the same ones are being moved from 129W to 110W so you will still receive them. 129W and 61.5W usually mirror the same national HD.