More DRM Coming?

**navychop** · 07-29-2009 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Sammy033

Related to above...................

I dont have a bluray but do they require HDMI/HDCP for HD?

I have never ordered PPV nor do I have a premium but my HDTV only has one HDMI port. Currently that is how my 622 is connected. So if I want both the bluray and the 622 (for PPV or whatever) does that mean at the minimum I will need a switcher? If so that would suck and just adds to the cost I was hoping to save for later this year.

An HDMI switcher is rather cheap.

Best thing, ignoring cost: Get an AV receiver with multiple HDMI inputs, such as the Onkyo 607 (there are cheaper, and more expensive, options out there). Then you connect your satellite receiver, Blu-ray and any other devices (such as xbox 360) to the AV receiver, and the receiver to the TV. Plus, you get surround sound (the opportunity to spring for more speakers).

**Jim S.** · 07-29-2009 04:58 PM

I have yet to have anyone give me any explanation of why carriers didn't band together against these consumer-unfriendly content providers and refuse to carry their programming under such ridiculous terms.

**mike123abc** · 07-29-2009 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by whatchel1

That's a load of BS.

In what way? Your comment is not clear as to what you are complaining about.

Dish has said they have the ability to force HDCP when they want to and turn off the component when they want to.

Dish has also sent out memos to installers because they are hooking the HD receivers up through S-Video or composit.

As far as how many would notice they were downresed to 480p unless they were told, is speculation on my part. These people are probably the ones that do not notice they are getting HD through Svideo. I still stand by the premise that 1080i downconverted to 480p would fool a lot of people considering it would still look 10x better than the SD channels. Dish does not do real HD anyways, it is downresed to 1440x1080i, so you are really looking at 50% less horizontal resolution (720 vs 1440) and some vertical resolution (i vs p is not 2x). This combined with how much of the 1920x1080i original picture has been lost through the recompression via MPEG-4, downresing and Sat Mux bit starving. Yes a lot of people would notice, especially people with 50"+ screens, but a lot would not notice either.

**TheKrell** · 07-29-2009 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by mike123abc

I still stand by the premise that 1080i downconverted to 480p would fool a lot of people considering it would still look 10x better than the SD channels.

I'm with you. This is not BS, though it is rather sad. Most people equate HD with widescreen, and anything DVD-quality or above will look pretty decent, even though it's not true HD.

Pop quiz for all: is a standard DVD video 480p or 480i ? What's actually recorded on the disk?

**whatchel1** · 07-29-2009 06:07 PM

I believe that it is easy to see the diff between 1080i and 480p. That is the load of BS.

**Jim5506** · 07-29-2009 11:24 PM

The eye/brain is better equipped to see vertical granularity than horizonal granularity, so vertical resolution is more important than horizonal, that is why most people cannot tell the difference between 1080X1920 and 1080X1440, but can see a difference between 1080i and 480p.

**STL** · 07-29-2009 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by TheKrell

Pop quiz for all: is a standard DVD video 480p or 480i ? What's actually recorded on the disk?

480i is what is actually recorded on a DVD disk, but it is done so in such a way that it can be interlaced into a true 480p signal. What do I win?

**Smith, P.** · 07-29-2009 11:47 PM

Oh, Jim - that's illegal argument!

1920/1440 ratio is not even close to 1080/480 ratio.

**Foxbat** · 07-30-2009 02:48 AM

Originally Posted by STL

480i is what is actually recorded on a DVD disk, but it is done so in such a way that it can be deinterlaced into a true 480p signal. What do I win?

I thought DVDs were a progressive recording, and they need to be interlaced for SD TVs. A little web research shows that you do indeed win, as everything I can find indicates DVD Video is interlaced (progressive source material flags the decoder for different handling for movies).

Also, the Hauppauge device claims to be the first of its kind. I disagree. Blackmagic Design has had a PCIe card for a couple of years that would record full 1080 HD in real time. It was $350 and worked on both Mac and Windows. Now,
the current generation Intensity Pro

is down to $199.

Finally, hasn't Dish been enforcing DRM on the Movie channels like HBO & Shotime?

I guess I finally need to replace my Mitsubishi RPTV once and for all...

**whatchel1** · 07-30-2009 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by Foxbat

Also, the Hauppauge device claims to be the first of its kind. I disagree. Blackmagic Design has had a PCIe card for a couple of years that would record full 1080 HD in real time. It was $350 and worked on both Mac and Windows. Now,
the current generation Intensity Pro

is down to $199.
I guess I finally need to replace my Mitsubishi RPTV once and for all...

Black magic may have been 1st but If there is DRM it won't work. It has copy protection built in.
For legal reasons, capture devices from Blackmagic Design are designed not to capture, convert or transmit video or audio from copy-protected sources, e.g. video devices using HDCP.
It's made for editors using Apple Final Cut Pro™ internal effects on Mac OS X™.
Adobe® Premiere Pro® internal effects in DV, MJPEG and uncompressed edit formats.
It's built to dump primarily vid from camera/camcorder into the editor.
And yes I think it's time for you get rid of the Mits. IMHO.