Dish to use all of NIMIQ 5!

[Miner]

Businesses don't make decisions like 12 year old school girls. The costs of those transponders are probably very significant, as stated above, and it would be much more effective to get out of that lease and use the money elsewhere (or just take it as profit)

Sometimes they do.

I think the business decision by DirectV would be to spend money to keep Dish from increasing its capacity and gaining a competitive advantage.



Miner

[Claude Greiner]

I bet none of it will be QPSK when Dish has it fully operational!

[DishSubLA]

I would think keeping Dish off 16 TPs of space would be reason enough.

All the previous owners of Direct TV would have done just that. But Malone, although a tough business man, doesn't run his business that way. Plus he and Charlie actually do get-along pretty well. Since Malone has taken control of Direct TV, the cooperation between Direct and Dish, on common concerns, has been surprisingly and significantly better. Both companies have been making their voices head as a duet on many common concerns, in Washington more frequently than before Malone came in. Direct TV seems to have made no effort to hamper Dish getting back into the out of market locals. Considering the fact that it was Rupert Murdoch, Fox Stations, that was the only broadcaster not to agree to the settlement with Dish that would have allowed Dish to keep providing DNS, it was quite a good sign. Even though Malone swooped in and snatched Sirrius/XM, at the behest and engineering of Mel Karmazin, Charlie, known for holding a grudge or two, pubically stated he has no ill feelings about it, and considered the whole matter as just part of business.

[DishSubLA]

Businesses don't make decisions like 12 year old school girls. The costs of those transponders are probably very significant, as stated above, and it would be much more effective to get out of that lease and use the money elsewhere (or just take it as profit)

Actually businesses do things that are designed to hamper the competition quite often, but it is not a 12 year old schoolgirl mentality. It is a reasoned effective means of driving up the competitions costs even if it costs some many, it is often worth it.

Considering Direct TV's bandwidth, why don't they sell the measly 3 transponders at 110 now providing not that many channels to Dish and come away with a lot money? Because it would help Dish with its current bandwidth crunch on a slot that is core to Dish's service at virtually no cost to Dish beyond the purchase as Dish 500 would immediately be able to receive them. And while Direct has 8 transponders at 119 with a lot of SD LIL's, Direct TV must be quite pleased knowing that they are denying Dish a HUGE, relatively speaking, amount of bandwidth that can be instantly used at no cost on the downlinks as Dish 500 would receive those immediately, as well.

Business, small and big otherwise reputable business have been caught doing worse "12 year old schoolgirl" types of thing, many illegal, than one sat service paying for bandwidth just to deny the competition access to it.

[MikeD-C05]

IF DISH uses all 32 transponders in mpeg 4 they could move all their national programming to 72.7 ,like pay per views and the same channels that 110 sat has . Then they could use 77 sat or sats for locals. Especially if they get a new spotbeam sat to replace the older ones up there now. Right now they are doing the same national channels that 119 are doing on only 16 transponders in mpeg 4 , just imagine what 32 trasnponders can do.

[HDRoberts]

Considering Direct TV's bandwidth, why don't they sell the measly 3 transponders at 110 now providing not that many channels to Dish and come away with a lot money? Because it would help Dish with its current bandwidth crunch on a slot that is core to Dish's service at virtually no cost to Dish beyond the purchase as Dish 500 would immediately be able to receive them. And while Direct has 8 transponders at 119 with a lot of SD LIL's, Direct TV must be quite pleased knowing that they are denying Dish a HUGE, relatively speaking, amount of bandwidth that can be instantly used at no cost on the downlinks as Dish 500 would receive those immediately, as well.

Good example of how DirecTV has, indeed, worked to keep bandwidth out of Charlie's hands. 119 I can see DirecTV wanting (actually, I think they have 11 TPs) for internationals and what not, but 110 serves absolutely no purpose to them, but could easily mean 21 HD channels for Dish. Until recently, DirecTV was planning on launching a replacement sat (DirecTV-13) just for those 3 TPs. I certaily see them doing their best to block Dish getting 72.7 even TPs.

However, given the huge leases of Canadian space Dish has, compared to the little Canadian business DirecTV has, I'd say the Canadians might just try to help Dish out.

[digiblur]

I bet none of it will be QPSK when Dish has it fully operational!

Yep... none will need to be. They have enough power on the signal to do 8PSK and all of the installed receivers are 8PSK capable. Lots of bandwidth....all 8PSK at MPEG4... very nice!

[rad]

Good example of how DirecTV has, indeed, worked to keep bandwidth out of Charlie's hands. 119 I can see DirecTV wanting (actually, I think they have 11 TPs) for internationals and what not, but 110 serves absolutely no purpose to them, but could easily mean 21 HD channels for Dish. Until recently, DirecTV was planning on launching a replacement sat (DirecTV-13) just for those 3 TPs. I certaily see them doing their best to block Dish getting 72.7 even TPs.

However, given the huge leases of Canadian space Dish has, compared to the little Canadian business DirecTV has, I'd say the Canadians might just try to help Dish out.

Until recently 110's 3 transponders were used for 9 or 10 of their national HD MPEG2 channels. They still may be using some of it since they still have some MPEG2 HD that they haven't migrated to MPEG4 at 99/103 yet.

Now what D*'s going to do with those in the future hasn't been made public yet, but they could use them for new international SD channels, using MPEG4 they might get 60 to 80 new channels out there. Since they have the license for the transponders and a satellite there it makes no sense to just give them up. But who knows, they could end up selling the licenses to Echostar if they're willing to pay the right amount of $'s to DirecTV.

[cditty]

Umm, just a observer's guess here:

3-4 per transponder using QPSK 7/8 MPEG2

6-7 per transponder using 8PSK 2/3 MPEG4

Since EA will be going all 8PSK very soon,
I'd say 6-8 HD per transponder times 32 transponders gives 192-256 HD-lite channels.

Double that for SD Channels

I thought EA was already all 8PSK/MPEG 4.

[Scott Greczkowski]

I bet none of it will be QPSK when Dish has it fully operational!

Yup all going to be Trubo Coded 8PSK.