Satellite Issues (LOS)

[dewinslow]

Ok so 2 weeks ago I signed up for the 200+ HD Bronze package or whatever it's called. Got a 722K.. very excited, etc. Guy installs it while I'm at work, and I come home to realize that there are no locals. So a week later they come back out and say they need to install a second dish to get the locals off of 110. I came home from work today, and sure enough, we have locals, but not HD. I guess locals are off of 119 instead of 110? So the guy put in a whole second dish and didn't even get me HD locals. I'm kinda pissed....


Should I cancel locals from Dish and get an OTA? Does the guide work w/ the OTA? As in, will it automatically record shows, etc?

[Jim S.]

Was your install done by a moron? You should've had both 110 and 119 (on one dish) right from the beginning just to get all the SD channels, not just the local ones. You should've also had 129 (I think that still can be done with one dish) right from the beginning to get most of your HD channels, plus your HD locals. If you don't have LOS to 129, you shouldn't be paying for HD at all, because you're not getting 99% of it. (You may be able to get the national HD channels, only, from 61.5, which would definitely require a second dish, would not be a standard installation for your area so you'd have to beg for it or do it yourself, and may not even be possible depending on exactly where the satellite's coverage extends to.)

If you want guide data for OTA channels, you have to pay Dish for locals anyway. Real classy, Dish is.

[priester68]

I had to get a 2nd Dish500 put in to get my locals in HD. My front yard looks like the Nasa space center but the HD looks even better.

[skyviewmark]

Either there is a gross misunderstanding here by the OP, or a tech needs to get fired. Since it's hard for me to believe that a tech is that Stupid, I am going to go with the OP misunderstanding what is really happening.. And if that is the case, then We need a little more info here so maybe we can help him.

Did the tech mention Line of Sight issues..

[vaylon]

" Decency standards are (for the moment) one of the few rights still left up to individual communities and states."

I wouldn't call being able to make arbitrary laws a right.

Back in the early years of cable, these same types of laws were used to deny cable companies access to large sections of the country.
At first it was said that it was because of all the violence and nudity on cable. But latter after local governments got sued and the court filings started showing up, they found that most of all the legal troubles were started by "the local networks" and stirring up religious groups in their community. It all boiled down to money.
I lived in Nashville at the time and some of the ads against the cable companies were really corny. But they did work on a very large portion of the community.

One ad I remember showed the city in pre-cable world, then it showed what would happen if cable was allowed to run rampant. It showed drug users stretch out on the sidewalks and old people being terrified by violent youth gangs. Today it seems kind of funny, but back then people took it serious.

If dish or direct wanted to fight these silly laws , they could. But in the end the only ones that win are the attorneys.
Here in VA we still have decency laws on the books from the early 1800's.

One small community had a funny one.

" you could not have relations with a sheep, within the known city boundaries. The penalty was a week of public humiliation tied to a post in the square and that included the animal being tied up as well."

By contrast, if your wife was found commuting adultery.It was OK to kill here without fear of reprisal from the community.

[levibluewa]

we have locals, but not HD. I guess locals are off of 119 instead of 110?

Channel chart indicates HD locals (Columbus/Tupelo) are on the 129.

[Jimmerinwi]

Sounds to me like the OP was installed w/ Eastern Arc. If his locals are indeed off of 129 and the tech hit 110, it is just a matter of turning the dish to get 129, provided he has LOS.

[whatchel1]

Ok so 2 weeks ago I signed up for the 200+ HD Bronze package or whatever it's called. Got a 722K.. very excited, etc. Guy installs it while I'm at work, and I come home to realize that there are no locals. So a week later they come back out and say they need to install a second dish to get the locals off of 110. I came home from work today, and sure enough, we have locals, but not HD. I guess locals are off of 119 instead of 110? So the guy put in a whole second dish and didn't even get me HD locals. I'm kinda pissed....


Should I cancel locals from Dish and get an OTA? Does the guide work w/ the OTA? As in, will it automatically record shows, etc?

Tell us which way your dish pointing. If SE then they put in the wrong dish. Give us some more info on your set up. It sounds like you need to call E* and get them to send out a new tech w/ a 1000.2 dish and replace the ones you have.

[BobaBird]

Maybe I'm just easily confused, but...

The thread title mentions LOS but I see no mention of obstructions to line of sight to any particular satellite.

dewinslow, go to
Satellite Finder / Dish Pointing Calculator with Google Maps | DishPointer.com

and check LOS using a Dish 1000.2 and also for a single dish for 129°.

Then we have an amusing yet dismaying discussion of decency standards (in response to a not decent installation? not seeing how else it relates to anything that's been said), one of which says it's OK to kill an adultering wife here (but presumably not somewhere else).

[dewinslow]

Currently I'm picking up 77, 72, 61.5, 110. That's accord to Menu 6-1-1, "Check Switch".

I talked to the Dish installer and he said he wasn't able to pick up the HD satellite for locals. It seems like I'm getting all my other channels for HD. He said the house and trees are in the way. He can't put the dish in the front yard because of my lease agreement, and he can't put the dish on the other side of the house because it's too far away (?) from the junction box that goes into the house. IMHO, they'd have to run a 100' cable to get to the junction box. Not sure if that's an issue.

Here are some pictures of the dishes. One's aimed over the house (that's what's picking up 110) and the other is picking up 77, 72, and 61.5. The main dish that says "TurboHD" on it says seems to be aimed about 160 degrees and the one that's aimed over the house and says "500" on it seem to be pointed about 200 or 210.