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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Vader View Post
    That would have gotten me a few PCs and cards already.
    And as every upgrade and change came along, you would have to upgrade tuner cards. If your the OTA type, you had to upgraded to a DTV tuner. If your the cable type, you had to upgrade to QAM and then to CableCard and soon to whatever (if anything) replaces CableCard and/or makes SDV available to an HTPC.

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    From wiki-answers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kheldar View Post
    And the difference is ... ?
    The difference is the length of time a property is being rented.

    A lease implies a longer term such as a year.

    [This is from the library at Findlaw.com]

    If you're leasing, you've usually signed something saying you're committed to staying in that place for a certain length of time and will pay $xxx amount of rent every month for the term of that lease.

    Another important difference is the value of the underlying good. If you rent something the value of the good is not meant to change, whereas if you lease something your are actually amortizing the good and have the option to buy it at the end of the least for its residual value in most countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatchel1 View Post
    The difference is the length of time a property is being rented.

    A lease implies a longer term such as a year.

    [This is from the library at Findlaw.com]

    If you're leasing, you've usually signed something saying you're committed to staying in that place for a certain length of time and will pay $xxx amount of rent every month for the term of that lease.

    Another important difference is the value of the underlying good. If you rent something the value of the good is not meant to change, whereas if you lease something your are actually amortizing the good and have the option to buy it at the end of the least for its residual value in most countries.
    So, if you have to write a check to your landlord, do you say you are "paying the lease" or "paying the rent"? For the purposes of this forum, the terms are interchangeable. Yes, there may be subtle legal differences, but it isn't really important to the purpose of this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kheldar View Post
    So, if you have to write a check to your landlord, do you say you are "paying the lease" or "paying the rent"? For the purposes of this forum, the terms are interchangeable. Yes, there may be subtle legal differences, but it isn't really important to the purpose of this thread.
    You asked I found an answer. There is a subtle difference. With E* we do have contracts for a certain length of time so by that fact we have a lease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatchel1 View Post
    With E* we do have contracts for a certain length of time so by that fact we have a lease.
    DISH Network, DIRECTV, wireless and cable companies seem to favor the term "commitment".

    The distinction is important as some taxing jurisdictions rate rentals and leases differently.

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    The way I look at is this.

    Lease implies that you own the product so D*/E* are not responsible for repairs, even though we never actually have the option to buy the residual out at the end of the contract ( 2 year commitment). Like with a car.

    Rent implies the E* or D* would still be legal owner of the product and be responsible for repairs.

    Personally, I see TV service no different that cell phone service. You purchase a phone at a discounted rate in turn signing a commitment period for the reduced rate of hardware.

    The difference is TV service providers that Lease and expect the product returned are just greedy, these high end smart phones are just as expensive as any HD DVR to produce but yet we get to keep those after contract is up and even if we terminate early.

    Also the Cell phone companies (I believe, I may be wrong on this) are not allowed to change your price without offering you the out of your contract.
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    In the beginning dish was cheaper with the dual tuner receivers, which was a great selling point and a big reason why i chose them instead of dtv. Now i have to pay 17 dollars instead of the 7 I was paying. I guess they are starting now to try and get some of the money they will need to pay tivo.

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    Well, being I am on paperless billing and autopay to get the .01 Cinemax deal, I didn't even know about the price increases, until I just went to Dish site, for customer support, and saw my bill. Out of sight, out of mind.

    My bill went up over $20! You have got to be kidding me. My contract expires in July, and I am a goner.

    It was bad enough they didn't have MLB Network....now this? Give me a break. Sayonara

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    Quote Originally Posted by billybgame View Post
    Well, being I am on paperless billing and autopay to get the .01 Cinemax deal, I didn't even know about the price increases, until I just went to Dish site, for customer support, and saw my bill. Out of sight, out of mind.

    My bill went up over $20! You have got to be kidding me. My contract expires in July, and I am a goner.

    It was bad enough they didn't have MLB Network....now this? Give me a break. Sayonara
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    Quote Originally Posted by billybgame View Post
    Well, being I am on paperless billing and autopay to get the .01 Cinemax deal, I didn't even know about the price increases, until I just went to Dish site, for customer support, and saw my bill. Out of sight, out of mind.

    My bill went up over $20! You have got to be kidding me. My contract expires in July, and I am a goner.

    It was bad enough they didn't have MLB Network....now this? Give me a break. Sayonara
    13 of it could be the max penny deal is gone on your account. Do you have several receivers or DVR's ?

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