Echostar files to move E6 to 61.5W

**drdroo** · 02-11-2010 03:05 PM

Dish on Twitter replied and basically said I'm out of luck right now and they're 'working on a fix'.

Yeah, me too, it sounds like another Dish and a DPP44. I'm familiar with how long it takes for Dish to 'fix' things..

**TheKrell** · 02-11-2010 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by rocatman

I really question whether Dish will move the new HD programming from 72.7 W to 61.5 W. I believe Dish's long range plan for the Eastern Arc (EA) is to have have as much of the national programming on 72.7 W as possible since Nimiq 5 is a CONUS only satellite and use 61.5 W and 77 W primarily for locals.

Say what? E6 is also a CONUS-only satellite, so I don't understand your logic. E3 is missing, what? 5 transponders right now today that E6 could give us? And you pointed out earlier in this very thread that E15 is also going to be CONUS only.

**mike123abc** · 02-11-2010 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by drdroo

In my case I'll still be a Hybrid really. My locals are on 110/119 so basically I'll end up being 61.5 72.7 110 119 probably. If they'd launch my HD locals, I'd probably be in a good place but I haven't had any success latching onto 77. 82 is so hot here (62-67 on my Acutrac III+ that it is damned hard to find 77.

I have discussion going back and forth with Dish on Twitter. We'll see what they say. It might just end up that I will be buying an additional Dish500 and a DPP44 from DishStore. 61.5 and 72.7 are probably better off having separate dishes, though I was able to peak a signal strength of 48 using a single Dish500. I could probably work it and get better, but it was cold around 3am.

What is odd is that E12 has a spot right over Maine. I wonder why they have not put the locals on it yet. Only reason I can think of is that perhaps they do not have enough spot transponders to use for ME because of channel load in adjacent spots. Perhaps when they get E15 up they will move some conus TPs to E15 to let E12 use them for spots.

**drdroo** · 02-11-2010 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by mike123abc

What is odd is that E12 has a spot right over Maine. I wonder why they have not put the locals on it yet. Only reason I can think of is that perhaps they do not have enough spot transponders to use for ME because of channel load in adjacent spots. Perhaps when they get E15 up they will move some conus TPs to E15 to let E12 use them for spots.

I was under the impression they're loaded to capacity. Guess that may not be the case by what you're saying.

Dish is using a digital OTA antenna to pick up our locals and inject it into their network at the moment. The problem with this is that the CW and FOX stations are in Standard Def. DirecTV, at the very least, has FOX in HD, as does the cable company. Admittedly, DirecTV may be doing the same thing (antenna on the roof), but since they're co-located at FOX/ABC, they are getting those feeds off the equipment at the site.

Dish co-locates at the NBC affiliate here and has had SD locals for several years before DirecTV did. As it sits, Dish could be waiting/hoping for FOX to go HD OTA before rolling out or locals, or they've not been interested in re-visiting carriage deals.

The heck of it is, that FOX received DFC permission in Sept to switch to digital. They still haven't and continue to operate as a subchannel on our ABC affiliate (which is owned by the same company as the FOX affiliate).

**whatchel1** · 02-12-2010 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by drdroo

I was under the impression they're loaded to capacity. Guess that may not be the case by what you're saying.

Dish is using a digital OTA antenna to pick up our locals and inject it into their network at the moment. The problem with this is that the CW and FOX stations are in Standard Def. DirecTV, at the very least, has FOX in HD, as does the cable company. Admittedly, DirecTV may be doing the same thing (antenna on the roof), but since they're co-located at FOX/ABC, they are getting those feeds off the equipment at the site.

Dish co-locates at the NBC affiliate here and has had SD locals for several years before DirecTV did. As it sits, Dish could be waiting/hoping for FOX to go HD OTA before rolling out or locals, or they've not been interested in re-visiting carriage deals.

The heck of it is, that FOX received DFC permission in Sept to switch to digital. They still haven't and continue to operate as a subchannel on our ABC affiliate (which is owned by the same company as the FOX affiliate).

Sounds like your local affiliates are having the problem which is holding back providers from launching sat HD. It's not unusual for either E* or D8 to pull the signals off air. BTW very few markets have CW in HD.

**drdroo** · 02-12-2010 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by whatchel1

Sounds like your local affiliates are having the problem which is holding back providers from launching sat HD. It's not unusual for either E* or D8 to pull the signals off air. BTW very few markets have CW in HD.

I think it's more likely that Dish is stalling.

We have NBC CBS ABC and PBS in HD OTA (We did when Dish launched SD here too). Dish just added our CW a few months ago in SD (Subchannel on CBS) and Dish carries FOX (and those 4 other channels) in SD as of Dec 2005 (I believe, maybe it was 2006).

I don't see why Dish would hold off just for FOX. Admittedly they seem to have the most popular programming (Sports and in Primetime) but I figure they'd just carry the others.

**rocatman** · 02-12-2010 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by TheKrell

Say what? E6 is also a CONUS-only satellite, so I don't understand your logic. E3 is missing, what? 5 transponders right now today that E6 could give us? And you pointed out earlier in this very thread that E15 is also going to be CONUS only.

I also had a later post, #36 that stated that I was wrong about the E-15 satellite, that I believe it will have spotbeam capacity. I also posted in another later thread, #39 that I thought Dish would use the 72.7 W slot for most if not all CONUS programming for the Eastern Arc and 61.5 W and 77 W for primarily locals on spotbeams. Please read all the postings in a thread, otherwise your postings look foolish.