Shortcut to Closed Captioning?

**TheKrell** · 03-16-2010 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by DishSubLA

The TV will not handle CC via HDMI from any box (the new standard); it is a task for all boxes, not the TV, via digital.

Aha! That explains my observations since moving to HDMI everywhere. But what the h... Why has CC become so cumbersome with digital?

Having CC come on automatically when you mute your TV makes a lot of sense. I've done most of my experiments with a 612 connected to a Vizio via HDMI. I can struggle with the Vizio menus and get it to come on, but then it is on all the time and isn't affected by the TV's mute. I blame the Vizio for this. Or should I be blaming some arcane rule? Obviously the CC info is there over HDMI if the TV can display it at all.

**steverichmond** · 03-16-2010 07:46 PM

Glad to know I'm not the only one to think this is an issue. I think D* has E* beat on this one. (2 clicks) Hopefully Dish will add it. Is there a customer feedback mechanism that E* monitors?

Steve

**DishSubLA** · 03-17-2010 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by Elkview

I need closed caption to work easy. What a process to go through 3 or 4 times a day.

AMEN!!!!

**DishSubLA** · 03-17-2010 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by TheKrell

Aha! That explains my observations since moving to HDMI everywhere. But what the h... Why has CC become so cumbersome with digital?

Having CC come on automatically when you mute your TV makes a lot of sense. I've done most of my experiments with a 612 connected to a Vizio via HDMI. I can struggle with the Vizio menus and get it to come on, but then it is on all the time and isn't affected by the TV's mute. I blame the Vizio for this. Or should I be blaming some arcane rule? Obviously the CC info is there over HDMI if the TV can display it at all.

I really don't know how this decision/standard was arrived at, most likely an industry group panel decided this was the best of all options. Perhaps, I'll research it. All I know is that the standard is for digital output (HDMI) CC is handled by the BOX ONLY. The TV is not designed to handle an incoming digital STB CC. It may have to do with the various resolutions and manipulations for interlaced and progressive conversion and display of the lines for digital resolution conversion that it was decided that the BOX ONLY MUST handle the CC for digital STB sources. Many set-top-boxes have more options for the color and appearance of CC than a lot of HDTV's. However, this means that the CC via digital is "essentially" superimposed on the video, or, in other words, if you record the video to a DVD recorder or VHS, the CC will also display as it is part of the video displayed--even via the analog outputs.

For all the analog outputs the TV may be used for the CC instead of the box (just as it has been), with the line 21 for CC recorded to DVD or VHS (and you can view the CC during recording because it is not part of the video output; your TV displays the CC on top of the video, not as part of the video), but CC won't display until the TV option for CC is turned on. The HDTV, obviously must handle OTA (ATSC/digital broadcast) connected directly to the TV (not via an STB). And that's the way it is

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**KyDave** · 03-17-2010 08:09 AM

It amazes me that they DID think to have this available on their OTA ATSC tuner boxes (such as the TR40) but not their sat boxes.

**n0qcu** · 03-17-2010 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Elkview

I need closed caption to work easy. What a process to go through 3 or 4 times a day.

Just leave the CC on. You will soon get to where you won't even notice it (unless you want to) most of the time.

**CowboyDren** · 03-17-2010 02:31 PM

During my late-night sessions when everyone else in the house is asleep, that's what I do. But in the morning or afternoon, when I can crank up the volume a bit to get over the noise floor, it continues to annoy me. And for those times when the actor is too muffled or the script is just too clever, it takes 18 clicks to turn it on and then turn it back off...that's not cool.

**Elkview** · 03-17-2010 11:21 PM

I need CC on when I watch ( I also use a head set to pickup some words) but others in the family don't use CC. It would be helpful to just have a button to turn it on or off. I may try another remote as was suggested.

**DishSubLA** · 03-18-2010 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by KyDave

It amazes me that they DID think to have this available on their OTA ATSC tuner boxes (such as the TR40) but not their sat boxes.

OTA tuner boxes must meet specific FCC requirements, especially for CC. I would guess it is so with the TR40 because it was mandated by the FCC since it is a STB designed to receive OTA exclusively and not a satllite box. Dish satellite boxes are under no such specific mandate, and in fact, have a different mandate regarding CC since it is a satellite STB NOT designed primarily for the purpose of receiving broadcast OTA.