No New HD for these cities?

[Scott Greczkowski]

I got this just before we went on the air. This kind of thing makes me upset. I think those in these areas that subscribe to HD should get a discount on their service since they are not getting all the HD they are paying for...

With the recent launch of new HD channels on the 129 and 72.7 satellite
locations, many customers require a migration to Western Arc.

Customers within the following DMAs are not eligible for the migration
promotion. If the 129 or 72.7 orbital locations are not currently on the
customer's account, we do not have a solution to view these new channels at
this time.

The following DMAs do not qualify for the migration to Western Arc
promotion:

* Anchorage, AK
* Albany, NY
* Bangor, ME
* Binghamton, NY
* Buffalo, NY
* Burlington, VT
* Fairbanks, AK
* Flint, MI
* Honolulu, HI
* Juneau, AK
* Portland-Auburn, ME
* Presque Isle, ME
* Providence, RI
* Puerto Rico
* Rochester, NY
* Syracuse, NY
* Traverse City-Cadillac, MI
* U.S. Virgin Islands
* Utica, NY
* Watertown, NY

Your thoughts please.

[digiblur]

The HI, AK, and PR ones are a given as they have their own HD paks.

I don't get it on the others. As many have done the Dish 500 with 61.5/72 on one dish and the 110/119 on the other.. but I do understand that creates another problem with the mixed arc installs. It puts them between a rock and hard place once again to shift programming around between the 3 sats on each arc.

It's a good idea on the technical side of things but business wise to cut off your customers. Not a good thing at all!

[Iceberg]

Doesn't Maine have issues with 129W like almost too low?

[oldford]

129 is pretty low here, 11 degrees or so. I was real glad when Starband went to 123/121. I don't have to carry a chainsaw as part of my install tools as much!

More on-topic - The lack of locals on HD (Bangor DMA) and Part-time HD on the RSN (NESN) keeps me with the other provider.

Best Regards, Eric

[atvman]

If the national channels are all moving to 72 then Portland Maine locals should move from 61.5 to 72 and only 72 would be needed

[digiblur]

129 is pretty low here, 11 degrees or so. I was real glad when Starband went to 123/121. I don't have to carry a chainsaw as part of my install tools as much!

More on-topic - The lack of locals on HD (Bangor DMA) and Part-time HD on the RSN (NESN) keeps me with the other provider.

Best Regards, Eric

I know Maine will have another spotbeam on 119 to possibly help with locals after E14 is launched in a few days. And not piss anyone off but here's another beam on 61.5 that Dish is not using at all. They would have to build another uplink center in your area to feed it, it probably wasn't feasible with the number of subs.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/...es/E12_SB1.jpg

[jwolf]

I got this just before we went on the air. This kind of thing makes me upset. I think those in these areas that subscribe to HD should get a discount on their service since they are not getting all the HD they are paying for...



Your thoughts please.

I am being affected by this ridiculously dumb decision by Dish Network. I have to pay for the channels that I cannot view. I am not going to go out and rig a solution myself. I am already in contact with the NYS Attorney General's office regarding this situation. I understand that dish has something in their customer agreement regarding programming, but if I pay for it, I should be able to view it. I am locked into a contract right now and I have been with dish since 1998, once I am done with the contract I will look into leaving.

I would like to encourage anyone else affected by this in NYS to call the Attorney General's office @1-800-771-7755. If more people complain, dish will be forced to address this situation.

[ryotgz]

I sure would be ticked off if I lived in one of these areas. Just not fair to these people paying the same amount for less programming.

[DishSubLA]

This is the same kind of stupidity when Dish split LIL's among separate dishes as in 119/110 for the big broadcast networks and 148 (those of us out west) for the smaller LIL's in the same DMA some years ago. This resulted in Congress passing legislation that forced Dish (and all sat providers) into a "single-dish" solution for all LIL's in the same DMA (although required by law at the time to provide additional dish for LIL's at no cost upon demand, several Dish CSR's back then told customers they had to pay for it, and I never believed that was an accident, as one CSR told a friend of mine that "...it is costing us [Dish] a too much money for the 3rd dish because too many people were requesting them). And supervisor's would confirm a "Yes, you have to pay for it," which was contrary to the law.

One would think Dish would have learned from that, but they probably feel that they will have this all resolved a few years from now as STELA will have been passed without requirements to Dish's intended NEW "you pay for it" solution for LIL's.

[flampher]

I live in the Burlington Market and was recently upgrades to the Eastern Ark. I Had no LOS to 129, as is the case with many. I would have needed a 61.5 wing anyway for my local HD, so EA was a good solution for me. They left 110 as a wing for locals sd (pbs mostly) I know EA is using older Sats, and it sucks the way dish handled this whole mess, but all in all this new set up seems OK,especially with the migration off 77, which is very very weak up here. Are they still doing EA upgrades at these locations?