Dish messing with Voom, All are now HD-Lite 1280x1080i: Discuss this issue HERE!

**GeorgeLV** · 12-04-2005 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Gary Murrell

I think Vurbano has hit the nail
at least that is why I always understood providers lowering the resolution, so bitrate could be lowered and no pixelization occur, lower bitrates(or more satellite space effeciency) is all about what Dish is after no matter how they can get it, sadly this is the price
anyone want to take wagers on how long it is before all HD on Dish is HD-Lite

??
-Gary

Probably when ESPN2HD is launched.

**riffjim4069** · 12-04-2005 11:16 PM

Any wagers on how fast E* HD subscribers are going to flock to FiOS TV as soon as it's availabe if force fed HD-Lite?

**Gary Murrell** · 12-04-2005 11:21 PM

Rave HD's bitrate is actually up, to match along with what Sean said, all Vooms are hovering around 15 Mbps now

PBS shows (like that tool Mayer on Soundstage) look so good in true 1920x1080i, PBS is top of the shelf in HD quality, on Rave this looks worse than DVD right now

it's all in the downrezing folks, not the bitrate, for example here are some numbers I posted over on DBS Talk to put things in perspective(GeorgeLV Corrected me on DVD):

Per each second of actual viewed video:

HD-Lite 1280x1080i: 1280x1080x30 = 41,472,000 pixels
True 1080i 1920x1080i: 1920x1080x30 = 62,208,000 pixels
720p 1280x720p: 1280x720x60 = 55,296,000 pixels
DVD 720x480i: 720x480x30 =10,368,000 pixels

True 1080i: 6X DVD quality
HD-Lite: 4X DVD quality
720p: 5.3X DVD quality

-Gary

**GeorgeLV** · 12-04-2005 11:30 PM

However, when the temporal resolution is limited 24 frames per seconds (filmed movies) the pecking order changes (assuming proper pulldown flagging and no vertical filtering for the interlaced formats):

1080i = 1920x1080x24= 49,766,400 pixels/sec
"HD-Lite" 1280x1080i = 1280x1080x24 = 33,177,600 pixels/sec
720p = 1280x720x24 = 22,118,400 pixels/sec
DVD = 720x480x24 = 8,294,400 pixel/sec

1080i = 6x DVD quality
"HD-Lite" 1280x1080i = 4x DVD quality
720p = 2.67x DVD quality

**Stargazer** · 12-04-2005 11:30 PM

Do you guys think that Dish should lower the resolution at first to fit in as many channels as they can in at least an enhanced definition then enhance it more and more perhaps to HD as space permits? Would this be better than only having a fraction of certain channels HD? They could still have a number of channels in higher resolution in HD like the VoOm channels were or are now.

**GeorgeLV** · 12-04-2005 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by Stargazer

Do you guys think that Dish should lower the resolution at first to fit in as many channels as they can in at least an enhanced definition then enhance it more and more perhaps to HD as space permits? Would this be better than only having a fraction of certain channels HD? They could still have a number of channels in higher resolution in HD like the VoOm channels were or are now.

I don't have any theoretical problems with reducing the horizontal resolution to from 1920 pixels a line to 1280 pixels a line. It is, however, vital to maintain the vertical information (sticking with 1080 lines). I'm against any EDTV channels with resolutions like 960x540 (quarter 1080i), 720x480 (dvd), or 640x360 (quarter 720p).

**Gary Murrell** · 12-04-2005 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by GeorgeLV

I don't have any theoretical problems with reducing the horizontal resolution to from 1920 pixels a line to 1280 pixels a line. It is, however, vital to maintain the vertical information (sticking with 1080 lines). I'm against any EDTV channels with resolutions like 960x540 (quarter 1080i), 720x480 (dvd), or 640x360 (quarter 720p).

I do not agree with this at all, on my display there is a major difference between 1920 vs 1280 horizontal resolution

-Gary

**Spike** · 12-05-2005 01:44 AM

Well, I just sent my second email to dish quality. I also sent a copy to the CEO. I really doubt that I'll receive any significant response. I have to keep trying though. This is really unacceptable to me!!

**Stargazer** · 12-05-2005 02:43 AM

I am sure they are receiving plenty of response by now. Maybe they will do something as a result but I doubt it.

**JIGGIEFLY** · 12-05-2005 06:45 AM

This sucks i thought there was something up all of my channels are the same now very soft looking it was a very noticable differance here on my 53 inch pieoneer i guess ill be canceling also after the first of the year they have 30 days to do something i wont pay for this garbage and call it HD.