Dish messing with Voom, All are now HD-Lite 1280x1080i: Discuss this issue HERE!

**jmcgee_jr** · 12-05-2005 09:27 AM

Man what a pisser I just called and schedualed the 61.5 dish to be installed. ARGHHHHHH...and I have no other access to any HD cable provider "CHARTER" wont give us HD yet adelphia all around us has it.

**techweb** · 12-05-2005 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by jmcgee_jr

Man what a pisser I just called and schedualed the 61.5 dish to be installed. ARGHHHHHH...and I have no other access to any HD cable provider "CHARTER" wont give us HD yet adelphia all around us has it.

I just put up a Dish 1000 to be able to get all the HD channels. If this Voom picture quality situation doesn't improve, I'll just cancel Dish and stick with cable, which has better picture quality on HD channels than Dish anyway. Cable is supposed to be adding National Geographic HD, Fox HD, and MTV HD after the first of the year.

**joverstr2** · 12-05-2005 10:53 AM

I noticed alot of pixelation this weekend. Thought for a moment I was back with Mediacom Cable HD. I hope this is just testing going on and everything goes back to normal. If not, once again goodbye Voom.

**rdinkel** · 12-05-2005 10:56 AM

Anyone tried to contact Voom directly about the quality of their pictures, rather than through Dish?

**BrettTRay** · 12-05-2005 11:13 AM

I'm having a hard time understanding why dish puts Showtime HD, TNT HD, ESPN HD, HBO HD, and a few others at 1920x1080i at or below 14mb/s but they put the Voom channels at 1280x1080i with 14mb/s????? What am I missing here? The mb/s is the measure of how much space the channel uses so how are they saving space by doing this?

**rdinkel** · 12-05-2005 11:19 AM

Perhaps it has to do with the relatively weak signal strength of the 129 bird and trying to reduce pixelization problems?

**rdinkel** · 12-05-2005 11:38 AM

When I installed my Dish1000 last week, I got the feeling that Echostar should have made the dish a little larger to improve the gain of the 129 signal. I bet they went with the smallest size that they could get away with rather than adding any margin that would improve signal strength. For satellite dishes, I guess Echostar thinks smaller is better................

**JoeSp** · 12-05-2005 12:41 PM

Gary, I believe that you have that a little wrong. On an interlaced picture the Verticle lines (1920) are scanned odd than even but the Horizontal lines (1080I) are not. So what you would have is 860x1080 pixels scanned on your viewing screen with all the odd then all the even scanned to give you 1920x1080i or one frame of the picture.

**vurbano** · 12-05-2005 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by BrettTRay

I'm having a hard time understanding why dish puts Showtime HD, TNT HD, ESPN HD, HBO HD, and a few others at 1920x1080i at or below 14mb/s but they put the Voom channels at 1280x1080i with 14mb/s????? What am I missing here? The mb/s is the measure of how much space the channel uses so how are they saving space by doing this?

Because they are all basically movie channels without demanding video except TNTHD during Nascar and the NBA, you might see some problems there. And ESPNHD is 720p should not be so bad at 14 mbps. Not great, but certainly not at bad as 1920 would be. 720p can hide lots of problems IMO.

**vurbano** · 12-05-2005 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by GeorgeLV

There's not much justification for saying 1280x720p is HD, yet 1280x1080i is not.

Its the progressive nature of 720p that makes it HD and opens the arguement up to which is better 1920 x 1080i or 1280 x 720p. 1280x 1080i is just watered down interlaced 1080i. I dont see how you can compare that to the other two widely accepted formats. You have to stop looking strickly at the pixel count.