Dish messing with Voom, All are now HD-Lite 1280x1080i: Discuss this issue HERE!

**teachsac** · 12-12-2005 10:23 PM

I just sent an e-mail to ceo for clarification on what was said tonight, since everyone there claims not to know anything until Charlie announces it.

**FreddyvsJasonvsAsh** · 12-12-2005 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by GeorgeLV

No, because the Las Vegas stations don't grant waivers.

I get Fox NY and Fox Atlanta so maybe Fox HD....

**moreHDplease** · 12-13-2005 12:43 AM

I read somewhere the whole reason for acquiring Rainbow-1 from Voom was its ability to broacast over 100+ TRUE HD channels once the MPEG-4 rollout was complete. If this is true why not just tell everyone to deal with the limited content until we can get you more at the same quality. The only thing I see D* and E*doing is killing real HD to add local "sort of" HD, which seems like an utter waste of bandwidth to begin with as most subscribers can get local with an amplified OTA antennae. I can pickup stations near 120 miles away with my OTA. For those who can't they can provide the network feed instead of their local affiliate as the vast majority of HD content I've ever seen on my locals have been network programs not locally produced content. Most if not all major sports markets have or will have shortly the ability for OTA HD so competing with D* Sunday Ticket shouldn't be a reason and those that don't would see the number one game on the network. On top of this only a very limited number of subscribers will be able to actually subscribe to each of these HD stations.

By dropping the local HD dreams, or downrezzing those stations, they should be able to offer all the national stations they have now, the ones they don't have (Starz HD, Cinemax HD, The Movie Channel HD, ESPN 2 HD, Playboy HD, Universal HD), and and the ones coming very soon and not have to sc**w with the PQ or rates on the stations we all seem to love.

If the want to reduce the quality they should reduce the cost or let those of us in contracts out of them as I remeber signing up for a year of HD not "sort of" HD. Adelphia in my area is offering as much HD content (15 stations w/ locals) as I watch on E*and seeing it at my neighbors reminds me of what I used to have. I didn't pay $5000+ on a 60" TV to watch a ED quality picture. I will miss MonstersHD as it was the main reason I went to Dish after Voom's demise. But I will miss as it was not as it is.

If it's not fixed this week I will just dropped my entire HD package with Dish keep the bsic until my contract is up and sign up for Cable. I'll go back when they are again the leaders in HD not D* without NFL Sunday Ticket.

If Dolan were only able to get some investors behind him.

**HDTVFanAtic** · 12-13-2005 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by rdinkel

Don't know the TP number, but the channel will be 9484. I just called to have CBS-HD West turned on. They say it will take about 24 hours. I have CBS-HD East already. Since I added a Dish1000, it seems that I can add the West feed as well without having 148 bird.

Huh?

When did Dish start allowing both CBS-HD East and West?

They always said either or in the past.

**Gary Murrell** · 12-13-2005 08:30 AM

Just to update, nothing has changed on the Voom's

and on a separate note, I think it is safe to say that we won our case with Dish

they did something none of us expected or even thought of:

they had plans for:

21 Voom's on 7/8 transponders at 1280x1080i

now we will be getting:

15 Voom's on 7/8 transponders at 1920x1080i

sounds all hunky to me, instead of comprimising quality, instead of taking up more valuable space, they cut come of the Voom channels, Sweet!!

all these Voom will be mepg2, that is pretty much guranteed

Mpeg4 will be for HD locals, just like Directv

-Gary

**rad** · 12-13-2005 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by Gary Murrell

21 Voom's on 7/8 transponders at 1280x1080i
now we will be getting:
15 Voom's on 7/8 transponders at 1920x1080i

-Gary

Do you know that for sure? While they're cutting back on Voom channels they're now adding a bunch of LIL HD channels.

**mdonnelly** · 12-13-2005 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by rad

... While they're cutting back on Voom channels they're now adding a bunch of LIL HD channels.

I think it's probable that the locals were in the plan along with the 10 additional VOOM channels, and the bandwidth allottments were made with that in mind. And, my bet is that the HD locals will still be over-compressed, just as the SD locals are now.

**rdinkel** · 12-13-2005 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by HDTVFanAtic

Huh?
When did Dish start allowing both CBS-HD East and West?
They always said either or in the past.

The "rule" has always been a max of two distant network feeds of the same network. And the unwritten rule has been, if you qualify and buy the SD you get the HD for free. What Dish has done, and perhaps continues to do, is to limit looking at both 61.5 and 148 birds. There are footnotes on some of the receiver installs that they do not support receipt of those two birds at the same time. But now with the addition of Dish1000 and the use of 129 bird, it appears possible to receive both East and West feeds--once they turn them on on 129.

**riffjim4069** · 12-13-2005 09:30 AM

I too get the feeling we'll see all 15 VOOM channels 1920x1080i MPEG-2. On a side issue I feel ESPN2HD will be MPEG-2 and HD LIL will MPEG-4 HD-Lite (1280x1080i) until EchoStar10 comes online. Just my opinion...

**Ron Tobin** · 12-13-2005 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Gary Murrell

they had plans for:
21 Voom's on 7/8 transponders at 1280x1080i
now we will be getting:
15 Voom's on 7/8 transponders at 1920x1080i
-Gary

Gary, any idea on when this might happen? I'm holding off on re-activating my E* account pending the Voom resolution and bandwidth issue being stabilized.