EXCLUSIVE: Dish Vip 622 & Vip 222 Specs

**HokieEngineer** · 12-15-2005 11:45 AM

Conjecture on what the usb/ethernet ports will be used for:

Media streaming over your home lan to media players. If you read the specs on broadcom's latest chips (7401), they have built in "security" to encrypt the data. I would think this is an extension of how they encrypt the data when they record it to the HD on the 921/942, so that you cant rip it off without the key. They've already semi implimented this with the pocketdish. The next step would be to send the stream over a LAN. Of course you couldn't send it to any media center, only one with broadcom's chipset.

I think what they might try is if you have multiple dish receivers, say a 622 and a 211, you could playback recorded content from the 622 onto the 211.

**Stargazer** · 12-15-2005 12:51 PM

Why give the 322 the ViP322 Model Name but not the other receivers such as the 625 and change it to 622? Does not make sense to me unless there are other changes other than the HD capability (perhaps ethernet port?)

**SummitAdvantageRetailer** · 12-15-2005 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Stargazer

Why give the 322 the ViP322 Model Name but not the other receivers such as the 625 and change it to 622? Does not make sense to me unless there are other changes other than the HD capability (perhaps ethernet port?)

It doesn't make much sense to me either. But it looks more like these receivers will become the de-facto standard receivers come 1-2 years time.

**jergenf** · 12-15-2005 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by SummitAdvantageRetailer

But then again, you can connect a video capture card on your PC and connect your satellite receiver to your pC to capture video. So I'm not sure why those companies wouldn't try to put in an injunction for video capture cards, but maybe a USB connection gives lossless transfer vs. lossy transfer with those capture cards.

I don't think they have video capture with component (Y,Pr,Pb) or DVI/HDMI inputs just composite or s-video. However it could be done via firewire or USB except for the fact that the digital data is encrypted.

**CJPC** · 12-15-2005 07:30 PM

Well IIRC, not consumer stuff, there is high end gear that can do it, but its extremely expensive!

**SimpleSimon** · 12-15-2005 11:50 PM

Addressing the confusion over HD tuners vs. HD outputs from a couple of pages back.

ANY of the satellite tuners in any resonably new receiver can grab HD. IMOP, it is deliberately NOT enabled on the 322, 522, etc. to avoid consumer confusion.

Remember, with a DVR, there is a disconnect between tuner and output. This is amply demonstrated by the 942. ANY of the tuners can receive and record HD or SD - that includes the ATSC OTA tuner. One of the outputs is HD, the other is SD.

EITHER output can view any of the already recorded material.
SD content on the HD output is automatically upconverted.
HD content on the SD output is automatically downconverted.

There IS a limitation that the SD output can't dal with live OTA. Dunno why.

**dlsnyder** · 12-16-2005 03:55 PM

Don't these DVRs just record the datastream in its native form, whatever it happens to be? It seems to me that the ViP 622 should be able to record longer when tuned to an MPEG-4 stream than when tuned to an MPEG-2 stream because of the greater compression. I remember the discussions about this when they started using stat mux a few years ago but don't recall what the conclusion was.

**ZawNH-VT** · 12-16-2005 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Scott Greczkowski

- Shared MTS Stereo Agile modulated output, sends TV1 & TV2 signals out on 1 RF port on 2 different channels. (This is cool!)
Note - No RF Output for TV1 (ie; ch3/4)

You can already do that with regular x22 and x25 receivers very very cheaply. All you need is chep 2 way spliter.

You guess it, if you use the spliter backward they becomes Combiners. I do that to a lot of my x22 installs. People usually want to have more then one Tv hook up to tv2 out, by do that you can provide them with 2 channel to other TV2 users don't have (remote) control.

**SimpleSimon** · 12-17-2005 03:03 AM

Originally Posted by dlsnyder

Don't these DVRs just record the datastream in its native form, whatever it happens to be? It seems to me that the ViP 622 should be able to record longer when tuned to an MPEG-4 stream than when tuned to an MPEG-2 stream because of the greater compression. I remember the discussions about this when they started using stat mux a few years ago but don't recall what the conclusion was.

Correct. Conversions happen on playback, NOT at record time.