Distant Network Shutoff on December 1st?

**JP Threw** · 10-22-2006 06:41 PM

I know that come Dec. 1 Distant Networks will be turned off. When will Dish Network be able to offer Distant Networks again to legally qualified people? 1 month, 6 months, 1 year? If this has been posted before I must have mised it.
Thanks, JP

**JohnH** · 10-22-2006 07:20 PM

Permanent Injunction.

**MikeD-C05** · 10-22-2006 08:42 PM

They will have gone off the air by February of 2009 anyway, due to the mandatory Analog tv shut off. So we are only 2 years and 2 months early here.

**Sparkman** · 10-22-2006 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by minnow

Tell me more about Expressvu.

Go to the Canadian Satellite Forum, all the information you could want is there.

**odbrv** · 10-23-2006 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by Scott Greczkowski

The CBS HD is not a distant network. Its classified as a Special Feed from CBS to CBS viewers in CBS O&O Areas.

However,I was grandfathered for distant networks and now get CBSHD on 9484. I assume that when I lose my distants I will also loose CBS-hd. I do not believe Lubbock is an O&O area. I also believe their are thousands like me who will loose CBS-HD unless the following occurs:
Senate Bill S.2644, Which Was Passed In Nov 04 Said,"this Legislation Gives The Federal Communications Commission Two Years To Develop A Map Of The United States That Shows Which Households Do Not Receive A Digital Over The Air Signal". Consumers In Areas That Are Not Able To Receive A Digital Signal Will Be Eligible To Receive A National High Definition Network Feeds For Nbc, Cbs, Abc, And Fox. This Can Only Be Done, However, If The Satellite Company First Provides The Local Analog Stations. This Is Called The Digital White Area. This Bill Was Introduced By Senator John Ensign Of Nevada. This Bill Was Adopted As Part Of The Omnibus Spending Bill Approved By The U.s. Senate. I Hope This Information Is Helpful.

**TNGTony** · 10-23-2006 01:26 AM

I know we have had a long, heated debate about CBS HD, its status, and how qualifications work before, but this I am sure of: this injunction has absolutely NOTHING to do with CBS HD. This injuction is about the ANALOG ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox distant network channels ONLY and nothing else.

One more time, I think I will say it a little louder so I can be heard

CBS HD is NOT affected by this court decision.
There may be something else going on with this station, but the court decision does not affect CBS HD.

Just to make sure everyone understands
Super Stations are NOT affected by this court decision either
CW Distant Channels are NOT affected by this court decision
Other TV networks on dish like Pax and TBN are not affected by this decision
US Spanish Language TV networks like Univision, Telemundo, Telefutura are not affected by this decision
Significantly viewed network channels from adjacent markets obtained under the new rules instated in 2004 are unaffected by this ruling.

See ya
Tony

**waltinvt** · 10-23-2006 07:17 AM

Hey Tony, I live in Vt. Is my distant CBS-HD out of NY affected by this court decision?

**navychop** · 10-23-2006 10:05 AM

**Greg Bimson** · 10-23-2006 11:30 AM

I am not being a nay-sayer, but...

Just because one stands upon a mountain top preaching the mantra does not necessarily mean it is correct. We go through this time and time again, so here it goes:

1) If CBS obtained all copyright clearances upstream for the CBS HD feed and then signed an agreement with Dish Network to show it in owned-and-operated areas, then nothing will happen with the CBS HD feed.

2) If CBS did not obtain all copyright clearances from the upstream copyright holders (such as odbrv's case, where a non-O&O local channel can claim him as a viewer), it means that Dish Network is using the license that will be affected by the injunction. Which also means some (if not all) CBS HD subscribers will be impacted by a cut-off due to the injunction.

**TNGTony** · 10-23-2006 11:39 AM

And just because some one says its so over and over doesn't make it so either. I won't get into the argument again. I will state the fact that CBS HD is available on Dish via contract between CBS and Dish. The affected analog networks ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox are available on Dish via SHVA/SHVIA legislation (this is what the court case is about). EVEN if you are right Greg (and I am convinced you are not), the court decision does not specifically mention this feed. Dish, doing what they do best, will follow the letter and not the spirit of the ruling.

See ya
Tony