First Look: DishONLINE

**mrschwarz** · 12-25-2006 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Scott Greczkowski

I am sure for this dish wont care, they will be making their money on the backend via the programming.

Is this because of their proven track record of not charging a fee for anything they can?

**Hall** · 12-28-2006 06:28 PM

I see that DishOnline is projected for Feb '07. Isn't the full implementation of The Weather Channel, i.e. the on-screen pop-ups on ch 214, also projected for Feb ?? Are they related now ??

**navychop** · 12-28-2006 07:01 PM

Best CES for DISH ever?

**GaryPen** · 01-01-2007 04:10 AM

Originally Posted by kstuart

Just the opposite group of people from those who primarily use VOD - people who don't even have DVRs...

I use Comcast VOD all the time, and I have their HD DVR and an HDTV. So, you're not quite accurate.

E*s lack of true VOD the main thing keeping me from switching back to Dish at home.

**ChetK** · 01-02-2007 05:36 PM

Yeah! More promises and more stuff they can deliver late. AWESOME!

**navychop** · 01-02-2007 05:41 PM

Perhaps another way of looking at it is- other things have been late because they've moved resources to getting DishOnline out the door, more or less on time.

**MyDogHasFleas** · 01-06-2007 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by HokieEngineer

Challenge to all you smart people out there:

Reverse engineer the DishOnline protocol to create your own local server to mimic the Dish server, thus turning your 622 into a home media center

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Since you aren't modifing your equipment or receiving anything you shouldn't be, I don't see anything wrong with this. Its been done before with the Onkyo NetTune receivers (although less complex).

I'm a smart person and a computer/network engineer. I would be quite surprised if it were possible to do this, unless they designed it poorly.

If I were designing the download protocol, I would utilize a private key built into the set-top box to authenticate and encrypt the streams. This would be virtually impossible to break, unless you had some way of extracting the key from the box. This can be made arbitrarily hard to do, by making the key store tamperproof.

**MyDogHasFleas** · 01-06-2007 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Aqualung812

Downloaded movies COULD even be in 1080p (HD-DVD and Blueray level), but I don't think the ViP 622 can do that high. Might be something for Dish to consider in their next model. After all, if I have a HD-DVD or Blueray player and I'm paying for the movie, why wouldn't I do Netflix or Blockbuster and get the 1080p picture?

The dirty little secret of all this is that even though 1080p sets are selling, there's really no 1080p content, nor any way to get that content into the TV given the current connection methods (e.g. HDMI). Both the content and the connection types will need to be upgraded before any of this happens.

So, it'd really be useless for the ViP622 to download movles at 1080p resolution.

Maybe in a year or two 1080p will become useful.

**navychop** · 01-06-2007 04:35 PM

1080p sets refer to the DISPLAY not the signal.

**Aqualung812** · 01-06-2007 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by MyDogHasFleas

The dirty little secret of all this is that even though 1080p sets are selling, there's really no 1080p content, nor any way to get that content into the TV given the current connection methods (e.g. HDMI). Both the content and the connection types will need to be upgraded before any of this happens.

So, it'd really be useless for the ViP622 to download movles at 1080p resolution.

Maybe in a year or two 1080p will become useful.

You might want to read up on HDMI:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI

HDMI can push over 10gb/s of data. 1080p is only (ha, only) 3gb/s. That is totally uncompressed, and we all know that we don't see uncompressed HD anywhere, even OTA.

Everyone loves the HD demo channel at 20mb/s (correct me if I'm wrong there). Since it is 1080i, a 1080p stream that produced the same PQ couldn't be more than 40mb/s. That is WELL within the limits of HDMI's 10gb/s.

Keep in mind that 1080i and 1080p is the same RESOLUTION, just drawn differently. Both have 1,080 lines. 1080p just draws all of them in every frame instead of interlacing them.

Also, most content providers are looking at 1080p/30fps since it fits within the same bandwidth as 1080i/60fps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p

Also, movies are only 24 fps, so that isn't an issue. When you think of how many movies would be available for download, 1080p would be great. Many movies (Superman Returns, Star Wars 1-3) have digital masters in resoulution greater than 1080p.

However, like I said before, I don't think the ViP 622 can even do 1080p. I don't know if that is fixable in firmware though.