FIRST LOOK: Dish ViP722 Receiver!

**brad1138** · 03-30-2007 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by BobaBird

It's amazing so many people were able to afford the add-on modulator for the 5000.

The only 5000 I know of is a very old receiver, WAY before HD.

According to E* at their conference, to "broadcast" Digital HD signal to TV2 the encoders needed are the same type your local stations use to broadcast their digital HD. They cost 100's of thousands of dollars as of 2006.

**BobaBird** · 03-30-2007 07:15 PM

That's the one, it became Dish's first HD receiver. The HD modulator converted the Dish HD signal to an ATSC channel to send to the TV tuner. It wasn't cheap, but it also wasn't commercial only. There may not be enough demand to put it in every box as the HD/SD outputs work for most, but more and more are starting to ask for it.

**Tom Bombadil** · 03-30-2007 08:39 PM

Continuing on the topic of moving all HD channels to the latest MPEG-4 encoding.

E* could offer something like a free replacement 211 for non-DVR and 622/722 for DVR MPEG-2 if they went to a lease. Or a trade-in where someone could trade a 6000 or 811 for a 211 for $99 purchase, or 921/942 for a 622 for $199 purchase. They wouldn't have to offer free dish upgrades, as the new boxes should be a simple replacement for old boxes, offering the same programming. But they could offer a low-cost dish upgrade if one wanted to upgrade programming to a metallic pack.

E* would lose a little money on the deal, but look what they would gain. They could then move all HD channels onto fewer transponders. This would free up a number of transponders for use for additional HD channels without having to wait for new satellites.

They could also drop support for several older HD receivers. No more software upgrades to deal with on those boxes.

We would gain by having significantly more hours of HD storage on our 622s.

On the surface, this looks like a win-win.

**BlackHitachi** · 03-30-2007 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil

Continuing on the topic of moving all HD channels to the latest MPEG-4 encoding.

E* could offer something like a free replacement 211 for non-DVR and 622/722 for DVR MPEG-2 if they went to a lease. Or a trade-in where someone could trade a 6000 or 811 for a 211 for $99 purchase, or 921/942 for a 622 for $199 purchase. They wouldn't have to offer free dish upgrades, as the new boxes should be a simple replacement for old boxes, offering the same programming. But they could offer a low-cost dish upgrade if one wanted to upgrade programming to a metallic pack.

E* would lose a little money on the deal, but look what they would gain. They could then move all HD channels onto fewer transponders. This would free up a number of transponders for use for additional HD channels without having to wait for new satellites.

They could also drop support for several older HD receivers. No more software upgrades to deal with on those boxes.

We would gain by having significantly more hours of HD storage on our 622s.

On the surface, this looks like a win-win.

Sounds great i have always wish you worked for E!

**Foxbat** · 03-31-2007 02:05 AM

Wait, didn't Dish already use "722" for a dual-tuner DVR? That could be confusing, especially if some sleezy flea-bay folk start selling their SD DVR-722 as a ViP722. Maybe they could do the same for the 921?

Regarding the lack of a second ATSC tuner on the ViP 622/722, wouldn't it be cool if Dish would support something like
this

being plugged into the USB port?

**DWS44** · 03-31-2007 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Foxbat

Wait, didn't Dish already use "722" for a dual-tuner DVR? That could be confusing, especially if some sleezy flea-bay folk start selling their SD DVR-722 as a ViP722. Maybe they could do the same for the 921?

I believe you are thinking of the
721

.

**Foxbat** · 03-31-2007 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by DWS44

I believe you are thinking of the
721

.

I believe you are right. That didn't stop Google from finding a DVR-722, though

I said it was late...

**navychop** · 04-01-2007 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by BobaBird

That's the one, it became Dish's first HD receiver. The HD modulator converted the Dish HD signal to an ATSC channel to send to the TV tuner. It wasn't cheap, but it also wasn't commercial only. There may not be enough demand to put it in every box as the HD/SD outputs work for most, but more and more are starting to ask for it.

Do you really think Dish could send an "unprotected" ATSC signal out over coax to a remote TV today? And let people easily record it and post it on the internet? It isn't going to happen.

**BobaBird** · 04-01-2007 10:14 PM

I was only addressing the cost and technical aspects which E* has already shown aren't nearly as daunting as E* led brad1138 to believe.

You're probably right. Is it possible for a STB to set the "record once" bit in the ATSC stream before passing it on? Despite their favorable viewer rights statements, E* has been a bit of a johnny-come-lately when it comes to introducing innovations for those viewers (networked DVRs, add-on storage).