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    Quote Originally Posted by rockymtnhigh View Post
    I disagree. PQ has already improved on UHD since going from MPEG2 to MPEG4.
    According to Lyngsat, Universal HD is still MPEG-2, but this is new (to me), all the transponders on 129 are 8PSK including the VOOM 15

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    FCC APPROVED the "DBS Reverse Band 17/24 Ghz" on friday. Perhaps question answered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnH View Post
    FCC APPROVED the "DBS Reverse Band 17/24 Ghz" on friday. Perhaps question answered.
    Please explain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAG72 View Post
    Please explain.
    Uplink on 24 Ghz. Downlink on 17 Ghz. Places the band in-between Regular DBS and Ka. Makes for better recaption than Ka and smaller dishes than regular DBS. Would seem to be a candidate for the new service Charlie mentioned.

    17/24 GHZ BSS REPORT AND ORDER AND FURTHER NOTICE OF PROPOSED
    RULEMAKING. Adopted licensing and service rules for the 17/24 GHz BSS
    that will facilitate the deployment of new broadband services. by FNPRM.
    (Dkt No. 06-123). Action by: the Commission. Adopted: 05/02/2007 by
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    http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...CC-07-76A2.doc




    http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...CC-07-76A3.doc




    http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...CC-07-76A1.pdf




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    http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...CC-07-76A3.pdf




    http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...CC-07-76A1.txt




    http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...CC-07-76A2.txt




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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Greczkowski View Post
    Using MPEG4 for everything will allow them to carry everything they currently offer on ALL of their satellites using just two satellites and having enough room for another 400 or so SD channels, and another 150 HD channels.

    I hear that the bandwidth savings on the SD channels is amazing, plus the PQ is as good or better then what we have now.

    To me this is a great thing and I cant wait to see it. Although I am sure it could be up to a year before we fully see it in all its glory. I never count on Dish Network to do anything on time.
    So Scott I guess the old dbs slots will be used for something else once the mpeg4 migration is finished? And I guess there will be no more mpeg 2 receivers for new installs? Since all the receivers they will be using are going to be hd and mpeg 4 , there would be no problem eliminating the sd feed of the same channel once an hd one is available. Especially the sd locals? They could at least start doing these in digital even if they are just 480p they would look better than the analog signal that will be going away in less than 2 years.

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    Do we have final word about DVB standard on new sats ? If it will DVB-S2, then no one currrent receiver will works there !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Greczkowski View Post
    Using MPEG4 for everything will allow them to carry everything they currently offer on ALL of their satellites using just two satellites and having enough room for another 400 or so SD channels, and another 150 HD channels.
    150 HD channels will not be enough for very long.

    There are 210 markets, and a few have less than 4 networks, but I think that 800 local HD channels is a fair estimate. Plus about 30 HD RSNs. About the same number of Premium Channels will be HD eventually. Someone joked in a thead about HD Shopping Channels, but I expect they will be HD in months rather than years, because there is $$ at stake, and they have probably the lowest costs for conversion to HD of any channels.

    3 big HD selling seasons coming:
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    Is it cheaper to launch a new satellite and carry MPEG-4 or secure the encryption? I believe the cart is before the horse here. I believe retailers would benefit more from a secure service.

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    So Scott I guess the old dbs slots will be used for something else once the mpeg4 migration is finished?
    They didn't say.

    However here is what I would like to see done.

    When MPEG2 is shut off, the two satellites 110 and 119 I would like to see them also be a MPEG4 service, however this time gear it to those on the West Coast with West Coast feeds of all the networks that have west coast versions such as USA, Disney, A&E etc. Also move all of the HD locals that serve the West onto 110 and 119 which will open up room on the East Coast birds.

    This would also alow folks on the east who are savy enough to put up a second Dish and have both East and West Coast feeds.

    Its win win all around in that situation.
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