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03-17-2008, 09:14 AM
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| | "Great quote (Though it's Taiwan)... "
Really? I got to watch the movie Armageddon again, I thought the russian astronaut said China.  |
03-17-2008, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by RandallA  "Great quote (Though it's Taiwan)... "
Really? I got to watch the movie Armageddon again, I thought the russian astronaut said China. | I think Bruce Willis was in on its design.
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03-17-2008, 09:23 AM
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just a question, mostly on topic i think. how much do these launches cost? i'm fully aware they are long drawn out processes, asthey need to be, but i have never seen any figures. i read one items that said a launch could be in the 10 million dollar range, and another that suggested 100 million. i'm just curious.
i would imagine the launch alone would cost several million (or tens of millions), and the satelite many more tens of millions. anyone got any numbers (on average)?
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03-17-2008, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Scott Greczkowski Not at all.
The other two satellites are just going up in place of other existing satellites which still have plenty of life in them. The new satellites give them some better performance (which is needed especially for 129) but things can operate like they are now for quite awhile with no real new issues. | This is not correct related to the E-5 satellite at 129 W. Because of satellite failures, E-5 is using up propellant much faster than it normally would in order to maintain the proper attitude. In fact, the satellite has a wobble to it because of this and this causes the signal problems in some areas. It will need to be taken out of service and moved to a higher orbit sometime in the first half of 2009. It should be noted that satellites today are normally not de-orbited but instead put into a higher orbit such that they are not a problem for 50 - 100 years so some propellant needs to be kept in reserve for this maneuver. The Ciel-2 satellite was scheduled for launch on a Proton as well as the E-13 satellite i.e., CMBStar to be used by China for the Summer Olympics. These are serious impacts for Dish/Echostar.
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03-17-2008, 09:37 AM
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I find it interesting that Echostar filed the 8K stating the major loss of lease fees if the sat failed. Does that mean that SES Americon is leasing AMC14 to Echostar who is leasing the transponders to Dish?
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03-17-2008, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by rglore I find it interesting that Echostar filed the 8K stating the major loss of lease fees if the sat failed. Does that mean that SES Americon is leasing AMC14 to Echostar who is leasing the transponders to Dish? | Yes.
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03-17-2008, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by RandallA "Russian components, American components, they are all made in China."  | Those famous quotes deserve accuracy: Lev Andropov: Excuse me, but I think I know how to fix this. Watts: Move it! You don't know the components! Lev Andropov: [ annoyed] Components. American components, Russian Components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN! Armageddon (1998/I) - Memorable quotes
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03-17-2008, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by diogen | Thanks for the clarification. I really thought it was China. Love the quotes!
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03-17-2008, 10:03 AM
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I'm curious to here how long it will take to get AMC14 to it's proper orbit using it's own power.
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