Tivo hearing today?

**Hall** · 09-05-2008 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by apollog

If Charlie loses the fight, would that qualify for terms of all E* subs to get out of their contracts because now E* is not delivering the service that they signed up for(DVR)?

Mind posting your contract that states you signed up for DVR service ? You signed up for programming. So long as they aren't charging the DVR fee, you're out nothing.

**juan** · 09-06-2008 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by hall

Mind posting your contract that states you signed up for DVR service ? You signed up for programming. So long as they aren't charging the DVR fee, you're out nothing.

I signed up for the DVR advantage package

**jacmyoung** · 09-06-2008 08:21 AM

For those who are thinking you may get out of your contracts because your DVRs may be shut off, forget about it.

1) If the DVRs eventually have to be shut off, all DISH has to do is to move you to a non-DVR package. Remember the saying "subject to change without notice"? It is in the fine print.

2) But your DVRs will not be shut, because DISH is not in contempt, but if the judge decides to teach DISH a lesson and finds DISH in contempt anyway, DISH can appeal, and the ruling will be overturned, but even if the ruling may be upheld, your DVRs will still not likely to be turned off because DISH will settle with Tivo, to agree to a license deal so everything will continue as if nothing had happened, from the users' point of view.

So for those who are really concerned about their DVRs not functioning, stop it! Go back watch your TV. And for those who are thinking they might have a quick and easy way to get out of the contract, try something else instead, like I will move to an apartment and cannot have satellite there, or better yet I am moving to Canada, or whoever has been paying the bills had just passed away, or I have just lost my job...Just a few reasons I have heard before that were used to get out of a contract.

**navychop** · 09-07-2008 08:54 PM

IIRC, some DVRs have their s/w in firmware. Some, like the 721, have at least part of it on the HDD. So when my HDDs have died in the 721s that have come thru my home, the 721s stopped working. I still love that 721 of mine. When it's working.

It seems some folks like to stir the pot.
And some folks like to run around screaming like their hair is on fire.

**juan** · 09-08-2008 06:09 AM

If charlie loses the patent battle with tivo what is stop him from swapping all his boxes with another manufacturer such as scientific atlanta or motorola??

**harshness** · 09-08-2008 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by kstuart

I have pulled the plug out of the hard disk of a 501 and it worked fine as a satellite receiver.

I just sent back a 508 with a failed hard drive and it wouldn't work as a receiver. In fact, after a few seconds of black, it would reboot.

**harshness** · 09-08-2008 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by juan

If charlie loses the patent battle with tivo what is stop him from swapping all his boxes with another manufacturer such as scientific atlanta or motorola??

1. The fact that they don't currently manufacture satellite receivers
2. Cost
3. Control over the design and implementation

**jacmyoung** · 09-08-2008 10:22 AM

The new MPEG4-only DVRs are in full production, those people who might be impacted can easily be switched to the Eastern Arc with the new receivers. For those on the west coast, 622s or 722s for replacement

Unfortunately it wouldn't happen because the DVRs will not be disabled.

**Scott Greczkowski** · 09-08-2008 10:32 AM

I personally dont think they will be disabled.

If Tivo had a clear cut case against Dish the Judge would have ordered them in contempt already.

I do hope we see Tivo and Dish working together in the future, that would be great for everyone.

**Thomas22** · 09-08-2008 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Scott Greczkowski

I personally dont think they will be disabled.

If Tivo had a clear cut case against Dish the Judge would have ordered them in contempt already.

I'm not following that logic. If Dish had a clear cut case the judge would have ruled them not in contempt. See, it works both ways. The reality is that judges don't rule from the bench. They write up their rulings with rationale. It takes time.