Echostar Tweeners

**nelson61** · 11-06-2008 03:36 PM

Echostar has a permit for a tweener BSS satellite at 86.5W and Spectrum Five has a tweener BSS permit for 114.5W.

In browsing the FCC files, I stumbled onto this nugget. Dish has leased 100 percent of the capacity on a pending (no permit issued yet) BSS tweener at 105.5W. SES would be the owner and the permit is waiting approval with opposition from Directv (similar opposition to what we saw with 86.5W and 114.5W before those permits were issued).

From Directv's opposition included in the filing: "Indeed, SES has already leased "the entire communications capacity ( including all spare capacity)" on its proposed tweener at the 105.5 W.L. orbital location to Echostar - foreclosing the opportunity for new entry from that slot"

**HDRoberts** · 11-06-2008 03:51 PM

Glad to here dish is finally making some moves to acquire more bandwidth. Any word on the 107W Ka bandwidth they were getting (I think)?

To bad no one is pointed at these slots.

**navychop** · 11-06-2008 04:05 PM

Err- not to Dish, to Echostar. Can be used for other purposes, no? Business applications, maybe. No guarantee it's for us at home. It would require yet another forest of dishes, anyway.

**nelson61** · 11-06-2008 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by navychop

Err- not to Dish, to Echostar. Can be used for other purposes, no? Business applications, maybe. No guarantee it's for us at home. It would require yet another forest of dishes, anyway.

This is a full conus TV satellite with special coverage for Alaska and Hawaii. If I lived in one of those two states, I would be hounding my senators and representatives as to why the FCC is not moving faster on the permit application. Application says AMC 14 was originally scheduled for this slot and then was moved to 61.5W ( bad luck there) because of FCC dragging (something like 7 years now since the original application and nearly 2 years since the last revision).

**HDRoberts** · 11-06-2008 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by nelson61

This is a full conus TV satellite with special coverage for Alaska and Hawaii. If I lived in one of those two states, I would be hounding my senators and representatives as to why the FCC is not moving faster on the permit application. Application says AMC 14 was originally scheduled for this slot and then was moved to 61.5W ( bad luck there) because of FCC dragging (something like 7 years now since the original application and nearly 2 years since the last revision).

They were going to use a sat at 86.5 for Ak and HI? Isn't that a little east for them? 148 would make more sense, and Dish already has that slot.

**nelson61** · 11-06-2008 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by HDRoberts

They were going to use a sat at 86.5 for Ak and HI? Isn't that a little east for them? 148 would make more sense, and Dish already has that slot.

It's 105.5W with SES as owner. Since it would be a leased slot/satellite, Echostar/Dish would be getting in with little upfront investment.

**mike123abc** · 11-06-2008 07:27 PM

Dish has been working on 86.5 and supposedly has a satellite under construction. The 105.5 with SES has been going on for a very long time.

**HDRoberts** · 11-06-2008 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by nelson61

It's 105.5W with SES as owner. Since it would be a leased slot/satellite, Echostar/Dish would be getting in with little upfront investment.

Still seems like 148 would be better for AK/HI. I would think you may be able to ag 4.5 extra degrees to a Dish 1000 and get to 105.5 to expand bandwidth. Plus an LNB for 107 Ka. A constellation like that visible with a single Dish would give Dish plenty of bandwidth.

**rocatman** · 11-06-2008 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by nelson61

Echostar has a permit for a tweener BSS satellite at 86.5W and Spectrum Five has a tweener BSS permit for 114.5W.

In browsing the FCC files, I stumbled onto this nugget. Dish has leased 100 percent of the capacity on a pending (no permit issued yet) BSS tweener at 105.5W. SES would be the owner and the permit is waiting approval with opposition from Directv (similar opposition to what we saw with 86.5W and 114.5W before those permits were issued).

From Directv's opposition included in the filing: "Indeed, SES has already leased "the entire communications capacity ( including all spare capacity)" on its proposed tweener at the 105.5 W.L. orbital location to Echostar - foreclosing the opportunity for new entry from that slot"

This FCC filing is very old. The AMC-14 satellite that failed make it to 61.5 W was suppose to go to 105.5 W but after the FCC failed to approve its usage at 105.5 W, Dish had AMC-14 modified to be used at 61.5 W. Of course AMC-14 is useless to Dish now and I don't think the 105.5 W DBS tweener slot will ever be used in the U.S.

**nelson61** · 11-06-2008 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by rocatman

This FCC filing is very old. The AMC-14 satellite that failed make it to 61.5 W was suppose to go to 105.5 W but after the FCC failed to approve its usage at 105.5 W, Dish had AMC-14 modified to be used at 61.5 W. Of course AMC-14 is useless to Dish now and I don't think the 105.5 W DBS tweener slot will ever be used in the U.S.

I don't think 2007 is old.