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- 03-20-2008 08:33 PM #41
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That has to be the case because if it isn't then how can this Eastern Arc be used by all that want to use it. I am in San Antonio and need my locals moved to 61.5 like Dallas and Houston or Eastern Arc is not viable for me.
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- 03-20-2008 10:57 PM #42
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Huh? Originally Posted by mike123abc
Of course Dish will need to keep some DMA's HD Locals, like Dallas (and Houston), on two sats for a short time while they implement the Eastern Arc. But longer term, why would Dish waste precious transponders duplicating Dallas (and Houston) HD Locals on 61.5 and 110?
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- 03-20-2008 11:07 PM #43
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Be careful what you wish for. If you get the San Antonio HD locals moved to 61.5 and get yourself a wing dish. That will free up space for the Austin HD locals on 110 so I won't have to do anything Originally Posted by jmjunkin 
Seriously, I'd be happy if the Austin HD Locals were on 110 like your San Antontio locals are now. But it looks like I'll need a wing dish for 61.5, at least in the short run.
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- 03-21-2008 12:53 AM #44
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Well Dallas HD Locals are on spot beam on 110. They are not taking up any extra space. It looks like they want to have 2 systems set up, if you cannot see 110/119/129 you might be able to see 61.5/72.5/77 Originally Posted by TalonDancer
- 03-21-2008 08:06 AM #45
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From what I've read spot beams reuse the same transmission frequencies by limiting their reception area. But AFAIK transmitting HD Locals from a satellite requires some of that satellites capacity ("space") whether or not the transmission is "on Spot Beam". Are you saying that if Dish removed the Dallas (and/or Houston) HD Locals from 110 there would not be any capacity freed up for other channels (e.g. other HD Locals or HD Nationals) to be added to 110? Originally Posted by mike123abc
FWIW The Dallas and Houston DMAs are between 92-98 degrees longitude with very flat terrain. 110 has easy LOS compared to 61.5 for all but the most LOS challenged (e.g. tall trees, buildings, etc).
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- 03-21-2008 10:33 AM #46
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Bunch of local HD uplink activity on Rainbow 1 not showing on the updates here on Satelliteguys:
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Woo hoo! Grand Rapids locals uplinked!
- 03-21-2008 10:43 AM #47
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- 03-21-2008 11:08 AM #48
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Yeah, I'm sure the folks that monitor these things aren't going to be TOO suspicious with all these moves that happen after they turned ConUS off.... Originally Posted by mikenewy Are we there yet?
- 03-21-2008 11:30 AM #49
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Well, obviously they use power. I assume that the solar arrays supply sufficient power for the transponders. If that is true, I can only think of two reasons why a spot beam would use resources. Originally Posted by TalonDancer
1. Another city within the same spotbeam cannot be uplinked because this spot is being used and the other transponders in the beam are full. Probably not the case in east texas.
2. Same situation, but it is blocking transponder usage for a DMA in an overlapping spotbeam. Also probably not the case.
- 03-21-2008 11:52 AM #50
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Yes they reuse the same frequencies again and again over different areas of the country. If you turned off the Dallas HD channels on spot beams, you would not be able to add national HD because the frequencies used for Dallas are already being used in other parts of the country for their local channels. Originally Posted by TalonDancer
The only possible benefits would be those mentioned above, perhaps another DMA under the Dallas spot (adjacent DMA) could be carried with the freed up space.
Also Dallas is a very large DMA, it would cost a lot to have to send out technitions to all the installations and replace the dishes to point to 61.5. I view the 61.5 solution as something for new customers.
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