Thread: Uplink Activity 12/11/08 7:00 PM ET 19 changes Young GONE

I say give em the 30 cents per subscriber.. but they pay for the uplink station.. the fiber runs.. the satellite.. and the maintenance of all of it.. I guess that comes out to 80 cents per subscriber.. they owe 50 cents.. pay up..

Originally Posted by HDRoberts

Liars, damn liars, and statisticians. A penny a day is too much for a local station giving out free signal, when you multiply it out.

Yeah...i dont get it. The local channels are free to anybody who has an antenna...It seems like the local channels would let providers carry them for free because more viewers = more $$$ in ads.

Dish has their limit as to what they are going to pay for a network station after all their costs to getting it up onto the satellite.

Originally Posted by Skyhi

Yeah...i dont get it. The local channels are free to anybody who has an antenna...It seems like the local channels would let providers carry them for free because more viewers = more $$$ in ads.

That's it entirely. More viewers = more ad revenue.

In any given local TV broadcast market you'll have a pretty significant number of people who can't receive a particular local TV channel very well at all over the air, or they just can't receive the signal at all period. Viewers often have to resort to cable or satellite in order to get the local TV station with a clear signal or any signal at all. If they don't get the channels that way they just won't be watching those channels at all. Lower viewer ratings.

I'd like to know how Young Broadcasting is computing that "1¢ per day" rate. Is that 1¢ for every Dish Network customer nationwide, or just 1¢ per day from E* subscribers in a local TV station's viewing market? I have a nasty feeling it's the former rather than the latter.

I'd really be interested in hearing a story about what the companies that pay for commercials on those stations have to say about this. i know if i ran a company and i bought ad space on their station, i would want that spot to be seen by as many viewers as possible.

If the DBS providers (including DISH) are prohibited from providing distant network signals to their customers in order to protect the ad revenues of local stations, why are the local stations allowed to blackmail the DBS providers with excessive carriage fee demands? Since the local stations are allowed to charge for their signal and negotiate the fee, then the DBS providers should be allowed to offer alternative local signals if acceptable contract terms cannot be reached. You shouldn't be allowed to have your cake and eat it too.

Dish doesn't give me their HD channel, couldn't care less. I get the HD channel OTA.

Dish gets $5 per months for five stations. That is $1 per month for each network and in many areas have to carry many more station for that same $5. Out of that dollar the station want $.30 per month for doing nothing. Dish has the uplink cost, the sat cost and etc. Why should a station get $.30 for contributing nothing.

SatelliteGuys.US DishNetwork Uplink Activity Report - 12/11/2008 9:18pm - 33 changes

Uplink Comparison Range: 12/11/2008 06:02A - 12/11/2008 09:18P

Channel Moves:
5117 - KCLO [MPEG2 SD] moved from EchoStar1 148W TP 23 ConUS beam to EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam (A) (H)(Rapid City, SD)
5150 - WRIC [MPEG4 HD] moved from Echostar12 61.5W TP 01 Area 5 beam to Echostar12 61.5W TP 23 ConUS beam (A) (H)(Petersburg, VA)
5160 - WATE [MPEG4 HD] moved from Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 7 beam to Echostar12 61.5W TP 23 ConUS beam (A) (H)(Knoxville, TN)
5160 - WBAY [MPEG4 HD] moved from Echostar12 61.5W TP 13 Area 4 beam to EchoStar3 61.5W TP 27 ConUS beam (A) (H)(Green Bay, WI)
5181 - WLNS [MPEG4 HD] moved from Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 4 beam to Echostar12 61.5W TP 23 ConUS beam (A) (H)(Lansing, MI)
5190 - WTEN [MPEG4 HD] moved from Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 6 beam to Echostar12 61.5W TP 23 ConUS beam (A) (H)(Albany, NY)
6340 - WKRN [MPEG4 HD] moved from Echostar12 61.5W TP 13 Area 9 beam to Echostar12 61.5W TP 23 ConUS beam (A) (H)(Nashville, TN)
6340 - WKRN [MPEG4 HD] moved from EchoStar5 129W TP 10 ConUS beam to EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam (A) (H)(Nashville, TN)
7105 - WTEN [MPEG2 SD] moved from EchoStar10 110W TP 04 Spotbeam 04(MA,VT,PA,NY) to EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam (A) (H)(Albany, NY)
7511 - WLNS [MPEG2 SD] moved from EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 13(MI,IN,OH) to EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam (A) (H)(Lansing, MI)
7602 - KWQC [MPEG2 SD] moved from EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 19 to EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam (A) (H)(Davenport, IA)
7979 - KCLO [MPEG2 SD] moved from EchoStar10 110W TP 26 Spotbeam 33 to EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam (A) (H)(Rapid City, SD)
8240 - KRON [MPEG2 SD] moved from EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 43(CA) to EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam (A) (H)(San Francisco, CA)
8485 - KLFY [MPEG2 SD] moved from EchoStar10 110W TP 25 Spotbeam 12(LA) to EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam (A) (H)(Lafayette, LA)
8550 - WKRN [MPEG2 SD] moved from EchoStar10 110W TP 23 Spotbeam 10(TN,KY,OH) to EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam (A) (H)(Nashville, TN)
9231 - KELO [MPEG2 SD] moved from EchoStar10 110W TP 23 Spotbeam 32 to EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam (A) (H)(Sioux Falls, SD)
9310 - WATE [MPEG2 SD] moved from EchoStar10 110W TP 12 Spotbeam 10(TN,KY,OH) to EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam (A) (H)(Knoxville, TN)
9330 - WBAY [MPEG2 SD] moved from EchoStar10 110W TP 23 Spotbeam 23(IA,WI) to EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam (A) (H)(Green Bay, WI)
9385 - WRIC [MPEG2 SD] moved from EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 05(NC,VA,SC,DC,MD) to EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam (A) (H)(Petersburg, VA)
9587 - LTD7 [MPEG4 SD] moved from Echostar12 61.5W TP 23 ConUS beam to EchoStar3 61.5W TP 27 ConUS beam (NA)
9588 - LTD8 [MPEG4 SD] moved from Echostar12 61.5W TP 23 ConUS beam to EchoStar3 61.5W TP 27 ConUS beam (NA)

Channel Package Flag Changes:
473 - ALT [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar11 110W TP 16 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)
473 - ALT [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar6 72.7W TP 29 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)
474 - ALT [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar7 119W TP 18 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)
474 - ALT [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar6 72.7W TP 29 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)
475 - ALT [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar7 119W TP 12 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)
475 - ALT [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar6 72.7W TP 29 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)
476 - ALT [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar11 110W TP 16 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)
476 - ALT [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar6 72.7W TP 29 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)
477 - ALT [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar7 119W TP 18 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)
477 - ALT [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar6 72.7W TP 29 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)
478 - ALT [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar11 110W TP 16 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)
478 - ALT [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar6 72.7W TP 29 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)

Channels in the system: 5906
(A) = Available to subscribers
(NA) = Not Available
(H) = Hidden from non-subscribers