Thread: Notice of Tivo Injunction

Originally Posted by DishDave

Should i activate my 722 in the closet ? will it benefit me later ?

I meant my 721

Originally Posted by DishSubLA

The USPO subsequently reviewed and invalidated the hardware patents, but affirmed some of the key software patents

Absolutely not. Echostar got the USPTO to thoroughly review TiVo's patent. The patent office blessed TiVo's patent as written. They didn't invalidate a single word of it. You are making stuff up.

"The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) issued a ruling today as part of an ongoing patent dispute between TiVo and EchoStar. According to Ars Technica, USPTO made a "final and unappealable decision" that upheld TiVo's 2001 "time warping" patent that allows users to store TV programs while simultaneously watching or reviewing another program (a staple feature for TiVo customers)."


Tech Policy Central: USPTO Upholds TiVo's Time Warp Patent

Originally Posted by enoree

I know lots of people with 622's, 722's and so on, but not a single soul who owns a Tivo, this was an effort by a company with a dud on their hands. WHO actually owns a Tivo, never met a Tivo owner.

I own 2 Tivo's and (dual tuner model and an HD model) and let me tell you as I'm sure any other owner will. The Tivo devices are far and away better than any DVR put out by anyone, hands down. You just don't see alot of Tivo users on this site. Head over to
TiVo Community

and get a better idea of how popular they are. People like me have them and my main draw is how much I can customize them hardware wise. I'm not locked into anything the manufacturer offers.

I sufferred through a Dish 510, 721 and 522 (yes even the 522 made me upset). Then I used a 622 and it was the closest I got to a tivo experience and honestly, it's not that close, but it's a very easy/friendly interface.
*edit: I almost forgot, I owned a 921 also, since the experience was so bad, I must have tried to forget it.

However, Dish does now have a very good product (much better than directv from what I have seen) and lots of what is in their design you can easily gleen was taken from stuff they saw Tivo's do. I'm not saying they copied, but the ideas and they probably did it a different way to avoid issues.

As far as everyone saying tivo is slow and clunky, sorry, I don't see it at all. My 2 units perform faster than my 721 or 510 ever did.

*Keep in mind, I am a dish subscriber (DishHD only).

*edit:
I do agree that Charlie should just buy Tivo out. I honestly think that is what they want and possilby are trying to get him to do with these lawsuits and such. End the controversy, get full rights to all the ideas you are trying to re-create and go from there.

Originally Posted by webbydude

Not sure how reliable the source is, but the owner of the RSP I work with is telling a few FSMs that it will apply to all non-ViP receivers. If that's true, there's going to be a ton of angry Dish customers (or happy, since they'll probably be getting 612s and 722s)

This just hurts consumers. I have a fee free 508 and I won't be one darned bit happy!

Oddly, I have Tivo too but if this becomes reality that my 508 DVR functions will be eliminated I, for one, will cancel my Tivo service and go from a supporter to an enemy.

Scroll, I agree. WE are the only ones that will suffer.

Originally Posted by Thomas22

Absolutely not. Echostar got the USPTO to thoroughly review TiVo's patent. The patent office blessed TiVo's patent as written. They didn't invalidate a single word of it. You are making stuff up.

"The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) issued a ruling today as part of an ongoing patent dispute between TiVo and EchoStar. According to Ars Technica, USPTO made a "final and unappealable decision" that upheld TiVo's 2001 "time warping" patent that allows users to store TV programs while simultaneously watching or reviewing another program (a staple feature for TiVo customers)."


Tech Policy Central: USPTO Upholds TiVo's Time Warp Patent

That sounds like a software patent to me, but I am no expert.

Ted

Originally Posted by ncted

That sounds like a software patent to me, but I am no expert.

It is the patent that TiVo accused Dish of infringing. The USPTO validated it after a year-long review instigated by Dish. It went to trial and a jury agreed that Dish infringed. The appeals court agreed that Dish infringed. It contains both hardware and software claims. No patents held by TiVo have ever been invalidated.

Several people mentioned hoping Dish would buy out TiVo and shut them down. Be assured that if Dish buys them, the last thing they would do would be shut TiVo down. They would start looking at all the other targets that the TiVo patents could be used against. Nothing Charlie appears to like more than launching some lawsuits he could then win.

Originally Posted by Tyralak

How many times do we have to tell you this? Dish IS in compliance. They changed the damn software! And the hardware patents were invalidated.

So you're saying that you can't record while viewing another program with the 622/722? Because that's what the patent is all about.

If they can record while viewing something else, they are in violation, period. That should be easy to check, right?

I just hope they just solve this by paying a license, buyout of TIVO or some other unknown solution. I just hope they solve it, I can't live without DVR's anymore.