Thread: Notice of Tivo Injunction

The 622/722 are not included. You can do anything that youu wwant to wit them.

Originally Posted by ncted

That sounds like a software patent to me, but I am no expert.

Ted

Unless both boxes have a flux capacitor in them, I would tend to agree.

I don't know why Echostar hasn't purchased Tivo, it would fall into lines with their overall plans for the company. Though with their current DVR and the addition of Sling, they can build what tivo has an more. I guess we'll see in a few years how things look.

Maybe you'll start seeing Echostar cable boxes for the local cable companies rather than motorola/??? boxes with Tivo software?

Originally Posted by Faw

So you're saying that you can't record while viewing another program with the 622/722? Because that's what the patent is all about.

If they can record while viewing something else, they are in violation, period. That should be easy to check, right?

I just hope they just solve this by paying a license, buyout of TIVO or some other unknown solution. I just hope they solve it, I can't live without DVR's anymore.

No, patents don't work that way. You can't patent a result, you can only patent the process which leads to that result. For example, 2 plus 2 makes 4, but 1 plus 3 also makes 4. If 2 plus 2 is patented, you use 1 plus 3.

Originally Posted by vegassatellite

Unless both boxes have a flux capacitor in them, I would tend to agree.

Is this the part of TiVo's patent that sounds like software?

"32. An apparatus for the simultaneous storage and play back of multimedia data, comprising:

a module for accepting television (TV) broadcast signals, wherein said TV signals are based on a multitude of standards, including, but not limited to, National Television Standards Committee (NTSC) broadcast, PAL broadcast, satellite transmission, DSS, DBS, or ATSC;

a module for tuning said TV signals to a specific program;

at least one Input Section, wherein said Input Section converts said specific program to an Moving Pictures Experts Group (MPEG) formatted stream for internal transfer and manipulation;

a Media Switch, wherein said Media Switch parses said MPEG stream, said MPEG stream is separated into its video and audio components;

a module for storing said video and audio components on a storage device;

at least one Output Section, wherein said Output Section extracts said video and audio components from said storage device;

wherein said Output Section assembles said video and audio components into an MPEG stream;

wherein said Output Section sends said MPEG stream to a decoder;

wherein said decoder converts said MPEG stream into TV output signals;

wherein said decoder delivers said TV output signals to a TV receiver; and

accepting control commands from a user, wherein said control commands are sent through the system and affect the flow of said MPEG stream. "

Originally Posted by Thomas22

Absolutely not. Echostar got the USPTO to thoroughly review TiVo's patent. The patent office blessed TiVo's patent as written. They didn't invalidate a single word of it. You are making stuff up.

"The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) issued a ruling today as part of an ongoing patent dispute between TiVo and EchoStar. According to Ars Technica, USPTO made a "final and unappealable decision" that upheld TiVo's 2001 "time warping" patent that allows users to store TV programs while simultaneously watching or reviewing another program (a staple feature for TiVo customers)."


Tech Policy Central: USPTO Upholds TiVo's Time Warp Patent

Sorry, Tivo boy, but the hardware patents are not an issue.
Posts tagged Echostar at TV Squad

I'll quote the main point for you:
"The latest twist came today when the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit issued a ruling that (mostly) favors TiVo. In a nutshell, a lower court had ruled that EchoStar was violating a series of hardware and software patents held by TiVo. The appelate court upheld that decision insofar as it relates to the software patents. But today's ruling reverses the decision regarding the hardware patents."

Originally Posted by Tyralak

Sorry, Tivo boy, but the hardware patents are not an issue.
Posts tagged Echostar at TV Squad

You need to get your terminology straight. There is only one patent involved, so stop saying "patents". The appeals court remanded the hardware claims of the patent (singular) back to the district court. Here is what the appeals court said:

"we do not decide what further proceedings, if any, are appropriate in the district court regarding the equivalents issue. Instead, we leave that issue for the district court to resolve in the event that, on remand, TiVo decides to continue to pursue the hardware claims in light of this decision. "

Tivo would be a natural fit for the new Echostar Corporation---The technology provider that sells hardware and technology to anyone. Set top boxes, satellites rental , dvrs, slingbox, etc. Don't be suprised if it happens

Originally Posted by Thomas22

"32. An apparatus for the simultaneous storage and play back of multimedia data, comprising...

In other words, Tivo has patented a PC with a TV tuner in it.