Thread: End of the year, where do you see both sat companies.

Basically just wanted to get a feel for how you guys think D* and E* will stack up at the end of the year when compared to each other.

Will E* stop the bleeding when it comes to subs?
Will D* actually add any more HD channels that the majority of subs seem to want?
Will E* add the Viacom channels?

How do you think the Tivo deal will play out, and what will the results mean for E*?

Tons off things that could and should happen between now and the end of december.

Thoughts?

Yeah, its a boring day.

be the same as it always is...

both providers will pretty much offer the same channels, same everything...but D* subs will continue to claim unprecidented superiority on the basis of inconsequencial minutae, exaggerated unsubstantiated hype, and sports packages that a majority of people do not care about.

look for a few new channels here and there and not much else.

Originally Posted by vampz26

be the same as it always is...

both providers will pretty much offer the same channels, same everything

look for a few new channels here and there and not much else.

If thats the case, and it stays as is, what about the loss of subs that E* has had lately? There are only so many quarters you can lose that many before it becomes a serious problem. I dont care how big you are or how succesful you have been in the past, no company can coninue to bleed off subs like that. You dont think it will change at all in that case?

Geeez Vamz, go watch a freakin ball game! If everything is so "pretty much the same" how is it that E* is in fact bleeding subs and D* is not. Hell, I don't care one way or the other, I like my sports and that is why I am a D* sub. I don't even think that there is a "war" anymore, everyone should be happy with what they got or switch to what will make them happy.

don't rightly care...if E* starts stagnating and D* picks up any significant momentum, I may well wind up being one of those subs.
who knows. right now I couldn't care less.

folks are leaving E* because of D*s proven success with marketing and promotions. simply put, there are more compelling reasons to switch than stay. even if your getting pretty much the same thing wherever you go, many folks think the little perks you get in the interim are nice...

Originally Posted by vampz26

folks are leaving E* because of D*s proven success with marketing and promotions. simply put, there are more compelling reasons to switch than stay. even if your getting pretty much the same thing wherever you go, many folks think the little perks you get in the interim are nice...

Thats pretty accurate. Which is one reason I started the thread. If the trend continues, long term, it will hurt, and channel offerings aside, it wont be the "same" Now I will give you that I dont see anything along these lines happening by years end, perhaps I should rephrase that part of the discussion to think longer term

Who knows, charlie may have an idea to turn the tide when it comes to subs leaving, but he hasnt let on that he does.

Originally Posted by FlyingJ

. I don't even think that there is a "war" anymore, .

I disagree. I think the "war" is more intense right now for both companies, even if they arent rolling out new channels every week. Maybe not from a customers perspective, but from the people running the companies. Something has to set them apart in someway when all else is pretty much the same.

Originally Posted by msmith198025

I disagree. I think the "war" is more intense right now for both companies, even if they arent rolling out new channels every week. Maybe not from a customers perspective, but from the people running the companies. Something has to set them apart in someway when all else is pretty much the same.

While the 'competition' between both companies is still going strong...the war is...well...over...

Like you said, both companies offer pretty much the same...

But lets look at the timeline...

1) E* offers Voom, D* announces a 'business plan'....
2) E* subs watched HD, D* subs watched a business plan. (a few of them watched sports packs)

3) two years later...the 100 channel prophecy is nie...E* has Voom and a few more channels...HD channels on D* come raining from the heavens...

4) OMG!!! THERE IS NO HD ON D*'s NEW CHANNELS!!!!

5) over the next year, more HD goes on those D* channels, E* adds those new channels once there is HD on them. And Voom is gone...sad to say....

6) and now...even according to msmith...they are 'pretty much the same'....


...and fanboys such as 'some people' are all thats left of the old D* religion.

...and anyone who has traced my posting history here in the warzone and beyond, with regards to where the paths of D* and E* would eventually cross, can only acknowledge one thing....

I said it then, clear as day...that the leader in HD has yet to ever be clearly defined and doubtfully ever will. By the time D*'s HD channels mature, E* would already have those channels themselves....

...and they do.

(and lets not cherry pick individual channels please...like msmith said, they are pretty mucht the same...big picture..)