Doctor Who - The Waters of Mars (on BBC), Spoilers allowed

Derwin0 · #1 (**permalink**) 11-15-2009, 12:38 PM

This thread is for people who see The Waters of Mars on BBC, prior to it showing on BBC America in December.

I will merge this thread into the main Waters of Mars thread after it airs on BBC America. Please keep all spoilers here.

mloebl · #2 (**permalink**) 11-15-2009, 05:19 PM

All I can say is I can't wait for the finale in December.

-Mike

osu1991 · #3 (**permalink**) 11-15-2009, 09:41 PM

Ditto! Great Episode

Derwin0 · #4 (**permalink**) 11-16-2009, 08:09 AM

Great episode.

The Doctor got a bit of a god complex at the end, hopefully the suicide stopped that.

The previews for the End of Time look good. Pretty much confirmed the return of Donna and the Master, and of course Wilf.

Probably rewatch it tonight so I can pause the screen on the computer screens in order to see how much history he changed (wife wouldn't let me when we watched it last night, plus it was late so we wanted to finish it in order to get to sleep).

mloebl · #5 (**permalink**) 11-16-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Derwin0

Great episode.

Probably rewatch it tonight so I can pause the screen on the computer screens in order to see how much history he changed (wife wouldn't let me when we watched it last night, plus it was late so we wanted to finish it in order to get to sleep).

LOL! Ok, I don't feel like too much of a geek then for doing that while I was watching it

-Mike

Derwin0 · #6 (**permalink**) 11-16-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mloebl

LOL! Ok, I don't feel like too much of a geek then for doing that while I was watching it

You want to feel like a geek? Hahah, I was (hypothetically of course

) the first person to click on the torrent link when it got uploaded. It had 1 up and 0 down at the time. Was several hundreds when we got home later.

It was up really fast, about 15 minutes after it aired in the UK.

mloebl · #7 (**permalink**) 11-16-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Derwin0

You want to feel like a geek? Hahah, I was (hypothetically of course

) the first person to click on the torrent link when it got uploaded. It had 1 up and 0 down at the time. Was several hundreds when we got home later.

It was up really fast, about 15 minutes after it aired in the UK.

LOL! Friend of mine was going nuts trying to find a torrent that worked so he could catch it. I guess he finally found one late last night. Not that I would endorse or condone any illegal activities.

I find Usenet has been pretty quick with getting stuff out too, but it's days are numbered. It's entirely possible I could have been refreshing newsgroups yesterday afternoon every 15mins... just maybe.

The previews for the finale in December look VERY interesting. They made it look like the master was somehow disfigured or something in one of the shots with the ability to see his skull sort of glowing bluish. Not sure if it's a tribute to how he was disfigured in previous iterations after he initially ran out if renegerations, if he's a hollogram, or what. Will be interesting whatever it is.

-Mike

Lothar27 · #8 (**permalink**) 11-16-2009, 03:02 PM

A bit of a god complex?

Tennant's Doctor changed. Not the same Doctor he was at the beginning. I'm chalking that up to not having a regular companion to keep him in check anymore. We'll just have to wait a month to see if there were any real lasting changes. Might be that's how he brings about his regeneration.....

SatinKzo · #9 (**permalink**) Today, 07:32 PM

Here's my take on the episode....

For once, the Doctor is absolutely helpless to avoid the inevitability of what must happen. As he said, the events occurring were a fixed point in time, unchangeable. It drove him mad that he could not help and he started to lose control and started believing he could control time. As stated above that the lack of the human companion to keep him in check is now affecting him.

One thing I don't quite grasp is the Dalek leaving Adelaide alone. How does that Dalek or any of the Daleks know how important Adelaide is to time? I had to go back and watch The Stolen Earth to try to figure it out and I'm still confused. The Daleks would have had to know how the events in that episode turned out to know what Adelaide presence as the leader of the first Mars settlement affects the future and that the destruction of the Mars base was a fixed point in time. I really will be curious to how they explain this one down the road.

All I know is after Torchwood: COE and some of the recent (including Waters of Mars) Doctor episodes, I'm really going to miss Russel Davies writing. He's really showing some versatility.

Edit:
Ah I found a very good explanation of why the Dalek left Adelaide alone. In the Genesis of the Daleks episodes from some time back, remember the Daleks are created from Davros, a mutated being who works with human like Kaleds on a distant planet. Since Adelaide is basically the inspiration that propels the human race into space, without her, potentially these Kaleds (who might be humans of some form) don't exist and the Daleks basically never get created. So potentially, the Daleks know this or are able to detect it or simply they can just detect that certain fixed beings/events.

Also, one other thing that I just realized in watching the end of Waters of Mars. Didn't the Gadget robot get wet or travel through the water or did it just look like it? Is it only coincidence then that the TARDIS returns to a winter scene and the water on Gadget becomes frozen to rear it's effects in the future spring?