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    4:2:2 / DVB S2 Questions

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    Ok since being sick last week I have once again taken a interest in the FTA hobby and have been having a good time scanning around finding things that I have never been able to see before as I figured out I can fine tune my Dish using Diseq 1.2

    Anyways I notice on my Mercury II that while it picks up a lot I can't tune in everything, and what I mean by that is I get channels where I hear sound but the picture is all greek blocks that flash.

    I am guessing these are 4:2:2 or DVB S2 signals.

    In looking it appears there is no affordable satellite receiver out there which can do 4:2:2 or DVB S2, however I am guessing that there are some computer tuners which can handle these standards.

    I have a DMSI Matchbook Pro which I have been using for the Uplink Reports (well until my uplink computer blew up) can that do 4:2:2 or DVB S2?

    I also want to make sure that whatever I use can move my Dish and that I can fine tune it as needed.

    What software do I need to make this work? Any pointers would be appreciated.

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    Most any PC card will do 4:2:2 with the proper codecs (elecard). And you are correct. The ONLY standalone receiver that will do 4:2:2 is the 700.00 Quali-TV. Iceberg has one.
    Your Mercury is NOT seeing DVB-S2, it is seeing DVB 4:2:2 or a HD feed.

    To do DVB S2 requires a receiver that can decode it, Currently readily available receivers include the Diamond 9000 HD ( what I use), the Coolsat 8000/8100, and the Pansat 9200 with the correct add on board (which is a PIA to find, most all the boards out there are the hack boards).

    There are PC Cards that can do DVB-S2 also. But there is no readily available blind scan DVB-S2 standalone receiver in North America, so other methods are used to find the feeds. Bob can tell you, he does it. It involves a piece of software, an old c-band analog receiver, and a shortwave radio.

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    4:2:2 feeds and HD feeds will show up on a SD receiver and get sound only
    4:2:2 feeds show a "tearing" screen and HD is usually a green screen

    as the cajun noted DVB-S2 will only pick up on a compatible reciever.

    The Quali-TV is the only STB that can do 4:2:2 but there are PC Cards
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    Ok thanks.

    Do you guys thing that the Match Box Pro USB tuner has the power to move my dish or am I better the slave it off my Mercury II?

    Sorry about the DVB S2 confusion. Is there anything available in DVB S2 in the US worth picking up? Anone know if the Match Box Pro can do DVB-S2?
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    DVB-S2 on C-Band heck yeah
    DVb-S2 on KU not really...there are data feeds but that is is

    I'd use the Merc II to control the motor and slave the USB box to it. I slave the Quali (and the 8000) and let the Coolsat 5000 control the motor
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    Thanks Berg,

    Next dumb question... Is there any list of 4:2:2 channels pr DVB-S2 channels anywhere? If not would such a thing possibly be a good idea for TheList?
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    on KU?

    NBC on AMC1...I thought thelist posted it
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    The two Florida channels on AMC3 Ku are DVB-S2 and not yet on The List! anywhere.
    I wouldn't say they are very interesting, but nice to have something DVB-S2 to test on Ku.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Greczkowski View Post
    Thanks Berg,

    Is there any list of 4:2:2 channels pr DVB-S2 channels anywhere?
    I hope not.

    There are many raw feeds using 4:2:2 and these would be best to keep on the hush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Greczkowski View Post
    Ok thanks.

    Do you guys thing that the Match Box Pro USB tuner has the power to move my dish or am I better the slave it off my Mercury II?

    Sorry about the DVB S2 confusion. Is there anything available in DVB S2 in the US worth picking up? Anone know if the Match Box Pro can do DVB-S2?
    Like Ice said, slave it. Use the Mercury to move your dish and the Match Box to tune. I use TSReader/VLC with my Twinhan 1020a PC Card.

    As far as I know the Match Box does NOT do DVB-S2. The manufacturers are starting to build some cards with S2 capability, but I don't think there is an inexpensive (under 100.00) S2 card just yet. There was some talk of a Twinhan S2 card, but I haven't run across anyone who has one. I think most of the guys are using a Technotrend card for S2.
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