unencrypted DSS channels?

**Anole** · 07-08-2009 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Davage

Let's not start making posts that the search engines will find.

I read about this several years ago.
Not exactly the biggest secret, but not exactly discussed in public a lot, either.
Those who knew about it, kept it on the down-low.

AND, every post to SatGuy's is instantly published to Google, so once you say it, you can search it.
As for internet caches, they'd have it, too.
So, kinda hard to un-ring the bell.

**willie8605** · 07-08-2009 11:29 AM

Hmm...where did you see that there was a new version? What I got from the above posts is that 0.3.0 was the newest. I'm not saying that I'm right though

I could have missed something...

**Smith, P.** · 07-08-2009 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by B.J.

Well, if you move it there, don't expect me to respond, as I have no access there, and don't want access there.

However, one last question before it moves...
I'm curious whether anyone has noticed that this DSStoDVB thing seems to only work well on the main DTV sats, like 101, 119, etc, and not so well on spot beams, and doesn't work hardly at all on the 72.5 sat. Seems like either the author has assumed some info about these sats, or else these other sats don't transmit PMT data, ie perhaps they rely on their receivers hitting one of the other sats to load that info???
Actually, the old versions of DSS2DVB seem to work better on these other sats/beams than the new version. And yet AudioRip seems to pick up the audio from which ever sat you're on.

Reading an author's notes you could find answers.

**K9SAT** · 07-08-2009 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by willie8605

Hmm...where did you see that there was a new version? What I got from the above posts is that 0.3.0 was the newest. I'm not saying that I'm right though

I could have missed something...

No its me... I thought there was one but misread it.

So were good to go then

**B.J.** · 07-08-2009 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Smith, P.

Reading an author's notes you could find answers.

I saw several comments relative to it not picking up EIT info for those sats, and one comment about the PMT data sometimes being corrupted, but I didn't notice anything about it not even showing the channels at all. I just looked again, and still don't see any mention of the behavior I'm talking about.
Ie what I'm seeing is that it didn't show ANY PMT info at all, not that the EPG info isn't there. Ie a transponder that has say 10 channels doesn't show ANY channels with this plugin. Older versions used to show all the info on many of the transponders that now miss channels, and now typically show partial PMT info, but the new version now often shows absolutely NO PMT or channel info at all.
I first noticed this behavior on G3C, where I used to get complete listings of all channels, then little by little, these transponders would show fewer and fewer channels, and less and less info on them (ie channel numbers started getting corrupted), so that now, the old version pretty much stopped working on G3C. THe new version now seems to do better on G3C, but nowhere near perfect. But on 72.5, it basically doesn't work at all.

**Smith, P.** · 07-08-2009 12:17 PM

There are a few reasons for that, some related to not using APG data and those MPG tables could be the culprit.

**buckchow** · 07-09-2009 03:16 AM

0.3.2 should help with some of the problems mentioned. No documentation or installer with it though.

DSStoDVB.dll

**funkypc** · 07-09-2009 10:51 AM

Thankyou.
I agree this should be moved to WUT.

**melgarga** · 07-09-2009 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by funkypc

Thankyou.
I agree this should be moved to WUT.

Not really. This has been common knowledge for years. It was widely known and discussed even before DTV shut down their patch-eye gang in 2004(?) I think it was.
The audio isnt encrypted, just 'muted' for lack of a better term in their own IRDs. The audio is FTE, just not a lot of interest with everything else available. I'm not sure they even can encrypt it by just a stream change and CAM authorization. Some of their IRDs, especially the legacy units may require harware changes to rx encrypted audio.
Either way, as posted the bell cant be un-rung. If this thread causes a few, likely a very few more people decide to go to the trouble to rx FTE DSS audio, big deal. I doubt it will be worth a revamp of DTV's already oddball mode of transmission to knock out a few people. It's not that popular or that big of a deal.
BTW, a lot of PowerVu audio is FTE as well.