Turbo coded

**olliec420** · 09-30-2009 11:51 AM

i have seen someone talk about it here somewhere, i want to say it was iceberg but i dont remember

**B.J.** · 09-30-2009 12:08 PM

I don't see what difference it makes even if the only user of turbo 8PSK (the OP specified turbo QPSK BTW, not 8PSK). The modulation mode doesn't have anything to do with encryption. There is nothing wrong with locking DN/DTV/EV transponders. What is wrong is trying to circumvent the encryption. Locking a turbo 8PSK transponder, and looking for a FTA channel doesn't mean you're a pirate. How many people here have locked 119 and viewed NASA? Same thing. Since that was in DVB QPSK, does that mean we can't discuss DVB anymore???
I think the boundaries of what constitutes pirate talk are really distorted. It should be simple. If it involves beating the encryption, then it's pirate talk. If it involves locking transponders, and snooping around looking for FTA, then it's not. Technical discussion of modulation modes has nothing to do with pirating encrypted channels, even if the DBS services are the only ones using that mode.
The only gray area that I don't have a problem with, would be if the poster was asking a non encryption related question, but makes it clear that he is a pirate, but that wasn't the case here.

**Iceberg** · 09-30-2009 12:21 PM

exactly BJ

If someone wants to lock the TP's thats not an issue
But if someone asks how to override the encryption then yes it is stealing

back to the original question, I dont think the 8100 does 8PSK turbo. I know my 8000 doesn't. It does DVB-S2 8PSK

**Iceberg** · 09-30-2009 12:22 PM

Is there anything QPSK turbo out there? I thought the only one who used turbo coded was Dish/Bell and it was 8PSK

**madmadworld** · 09-30-2009 01:26 PM

my feel is you do whatever you want with what you own.

but the rule here is what it is.
and if a device is made and it has no other use but to get something from a provider what is it ?
our boxes do lots of thing right from the factory but does any mfg send out a box with these installed ?
no
this would be altering it right or wrong ?

**digiblur** · 09-30-2009 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Iceberg

Is there anything QPSK turbo out there? I thought the only one who used turbo coded was Dish/Bell and it was 8PSK

Yes, 118.7 HD locals are Turbo QPSK. I know I could lock the 8PSK stuff with my Genpix adapter on Star Choice when they switched over, it was all encrypted though. Not sure if that was Turbo 8PSK though.

Also to another comment above... all EA is not going to Turbo 8PSK. The satellite at 77w does not have enough power to support 8PSK. 72.7 after the Nimiq5 switchover next month will be all 8PSK though.

**olliec420** · 09-30-2009 03:09 PM

oops your right the OP was asking about turbo QPSK, my bad

**whatchel1** · 09-30-2009 04:52 PM

I just got the 8100HD and am playing right now. So the story is simple I hooked it up to E* system and it scans at least some of the stuff but they nearly all come back saying $ then the name. It isn't breaking any encryption and if you try to tune to the channel it says that it is scrambled. I'm still waiting for the dish that I'm going to put on AMC 21 for PBS. I do get PBS OTA but two reasons I want to get it sat. 1 the local station shuts of from midnight to 6 AM so I get no chance of the refeed. 2 the audio they supply has random clicking noise in it. I have emailed them and they just don't do a damn thing about it. People are freaking out over nothing in this case.

**RVD420** · 10-01-2009 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Iceberg

Is there anything QPSK turbo out there? I thought the only one who used turbo coded was Dish/Bell and it was 8PSK

I think that the TPs on 118.7 are Turbo QPSK. I could be wrong though. Its been awhile since I motored over to 118.7

**zamar23** · 11-07-2009 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by B.J.

The modulation mode doesn't have anything to do with encryption. There is nothing wrong with locking DN/DTV/EV transponders. What is wrong is trying to circumvent the encryption. Locking a turbo 8PSK transponder, and looking for a FTA channel doesn't mean you're a pirate. How many people here have locked 119 and viewed NASA? Same thing. Since that was in DVB QPSK, does that mean we can't discuss DVB anymore?

Even DN lawyers upheld that. In their complaint against Sonicview, posted (Dish Network lawsuit vs. Sonicview)here, they state in their view 8-psk Boards and other add-ons were intended to be used in this case PRIMARILY for signal piracy, meaning they agree the add-ons can also be used for legitimate purpose, such as mentioned above. In fact, DN is known to broadcast a number of channels in clear, probably for advertizing and clientelle grows purposes, including HD channels like mentioned HDTHR, which is said to be broadcast in 8psk turbo. Again, recalling popular AZBox functionality, connecting a device to a LAN for legit. firmware updates, internet access, or network streaming of a broadcast or show recordings doesn't violate the law. And of course, the device firmware should support such functionality, it its offered in hardware. What's important here is to avoid using it for signal decryption.