Can't find tp Freq 11842

**Dr. Pepper 6044** · 02-09-2012 08:48 PM

Hello, The origional thread of this name is very old by now.

I've not been on here for a long time because I've been successful in all the G19 aims, thankfully!

The old thread still has all my stresses, as well as some others'.

I am stumped again. I'll describe below.

Similar to an install of a year and a half ago, I was faced with finding the satellite in a 'hole in the trees' in S.E. Georgia. An origional AMC4 install had been removed and a new WS dish had been installed in the same place unsucessfully. I tried to salvage that and could not get a sq above 10% or so. Checked the usual things, all seeming fine. I use a First Strike meter. I use an iPad with DishPointer. My son also has a satellite finder on an Android phone. Both show G19 right in an open space between the tall Georgia pines.

Last week, I got a new tripod speaker stand with very good, smooth azimuth adjustment. It also allows very fine adjustment of elevation by slightly tilting the post on the front legs. I put the old GS dish that caused so much stress before and after work, got quite good results 50% and higher sq on the tps we like. I took it to the lady's home and tried it on the post where the origional dish was. No sq over 10%. :-( Similar results in other locations in her back yard.

Yesterday evening I assembled a new Glorystar dish. I mounted it on my speaker stand. I set it beside the dish that finally hit on a lock back in 2010 and hasn't been touched since. (The history of this site is described in the old thread.) I locked almost immediately and hooked the cable into the house and had 55% and higher on all tps. Didn't finely tune.

This morning, I took the same new dish assembly and tripod and set it up in the driveway, away from the trees. Reconfirmed the G19 location with DishPointer. I searched and got only 10% or so sq. I tried in other places in the yard. Same result. I then put the new dish on the stand in the origional location and got similar poor readings. I put the 'new' ws dish back on the stand,, same low sq.

I left there and took my tripod stand and new dish to an open sky area about 2 miles away. It locked with good sq's on most tp's.

Bottom line: I have 2 GS dishes that can be set up at my home. One of them also sets up with good results in another location near the customer's home. (She lives 85 miles straight east of me.) All dishes check out for warpage with pulled tape. I've used 3 different lnbf's. Skew adjustments of the lnbf have only minimal effect. can find nowhere within her yard that shows any difference on my FS meter. I think that if the trees were a problem, the results would at least vary some with different positioning around the yard.

I have pictures of the DP search, the yard, and the dish setting. I will try to post them here from my iPad.

I'm willing to try anything.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Brian, if you read this, I have some feedback on the new dish hardware and my last order experience. I may have overlooked the e-mail for sales at Glorystar.

**Stargazer** · 02-10-2012 12:24 AM

I had issues finding it last year and what worked for me was after locking onto the other two frequencies that glorystar recommends I moved the dish to the right (facing the dish) slightly and 11842 came right in.

Did you access the target azimuth in the first picture with DishPointer? How did you get to that?

**Dr. Pepper 6044** · 02-10-2012 01:11 AM

Let me clarify: I got good signals in 2 locations with one portable tripod dish/FS1. The other site (a customer's house) I could not get any 'lock' with 3 different dishes. In locations where I can get good signals, I do the 'balance' between 11842, 12152 and 12115(I think.. it is next in my meter).

The first picture is from my son's Android phone app. I don't know the name of it. The others were from DishPointger on iPad.

Thanks for a quick comment. I am not giving up. :-)

I remember you being in WV.. Charleston is my home. My brother died 2 weeks ago and now, I have almost no reason to visit there anymore.

Later,

**Glorystar1** · 02-10-2012 01:45 AM

The compasses may be affected by a geo disturbance and you could be aiming incorrectly. I have been in a few locations where compasses were 20 - 30 degrees off and have wasted hours.....

Try an app on your iPad/iPhone called Mr. Sun. This app will calculate the sun azimuth and elevation at a given date and time. Calculate when the sun azimuth is aligned with the satellite position provided by the DishPointer app. Great tool to use the sun to verify the compass accuracy. Example: If satellite G19 is at 206W azimuth, see what time the sun will be at 206w azimuth. Be at the install location at that time to see if the sun is visible and the elevation of G19 is clear for the desired dish install location.

The compass on my iPhone has been wrong.....

**Stargazer** · 02-10-2012 11:11 PM

Might want to make sure there are no metal objects around as well and perhaps go to different spots in the yard to see if dishpointer shows different results. I've noticed mine show a little different result around metal.

**Glorystar1** · 02-11-2012 11:00 AM

A few more thoughts.....

Since G19 is less than 10 degrees physically to the East and in your region 2 degrees higher than SES1, most likely the location of the customer's original dish might still work. Was the original location shooting through an extremely narrow window between the trees?

Have you tried receiving SES1 from the original position? If SES1 can be received, mark the mast and the elevation scale. Tilt the dish up 2 degrees and pan east about 7 degrees to receive G19. Sight up the lower LNBF arm. Is it aimed into the trees?

It would be a great reference to take a photo with DishPointer from directly behind the dish in the original dish location when aimed at SES1.

**Dr. Pepper 6044** · 02-12-2012 09:35 AM

Good morning,

Thanks for your help and consideration.

I put Mr. Sun on my wife's iPad. I found that on the days I was there that the sun was at about 213 degrees and at a similar elevation as is G19. I will re-evaluate those numbers and times to be exact the next time I'm there. (85miles to the east)

One of the pictures above coincidently was taken when the sun was near the projected G19 location.

About magnetic compasses: My son said he had to recalibrate his compass in his android phone while taking the image displayed above. He feels this image is accurate. The DP designation agrees. I walked around the area with a Glorystar supplied compass and found it variable, but at the post site, it pointed 213 at the displayed window in the trees. .... Are all three compasses influenced by some extraneous magnetic field? This is a residential area. No known large industrial functions are nearby.

I walked around the yard with the iPad and found the G19 target consistently in the same area. I walked around the yard with my tripod mount and the new dish/lnbf/First Strike meter combination. The results were consistent everywhere I checked. There is a large open area across the street. I will try over there next time.

Yes, Brian, I'm attemptig to install the new dish on the exact post where the previous successful AMC4 dish was. It looks through the window in the trees displayed in the images above. I'm sure the trees have grown some since that install. I just don't understand why with a very smooth and wide sweeping tripod mount, I get the same results anywhere in the yard, some where the displayed G19 location is in wide open sky.

RE: Looking at the wrong satellite: At one point, I was panning well off my expected aim point and got good sq on one of the tp's I think 12177. I connected to the receiver inside the house. (WS supplied unit) No signal. I replaced it with a GeoSat 200c. It showed good sq, but no image. I think I was looking at another satellite with the same tp settings with different channel parameters. Please confirm for me a meter setting that is workable on 101W SES1 that is unique to 101W and not on 97W. I have f12060, sr26700 lo10750 and 13v V. Is there a handy way I can tune the Glorystar receivers to display a channel on101W?

Images 2&3 above are taken looking up the lnbf arm. Image 5 is looking up at the window in the trees from in front of the dish.

About the posted images: Image 2 shows a prolific magnolia limb that came down in front of the dish. I cut that limb off.

I'll be going back there soon and will post my findings.

Thanks!

Brian, what is an e-mail where I can comment on my last purchase from Glorystar and hardware changes?

**Glorystar1** · 02-12-2012 03:01 PM