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[vurbano]

It provides some good food for thought.

'Urine or You're Out'. (Everywhere)

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Reply to: pers-1054671536@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
Date: 2009-02-28, 5:01PM EST



Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I
pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to
get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I
have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my
taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I
have to pass one to earn it for them?

YES

[red hazard]

Saw this on an email that was making the rounds on the internet from a buddy a couple months ago. I for one say test 'em. If they are using SSI etc. for drugs, then they are obviously being paid too much. The drug problem is extremely serious and affects us all. Tax payers should not have to subsidize it.

[charper1]

First how much more would that cost us. Second they say the tea works to get around it, or just drink a gallon of warm water. They say after drinking the water wait to you piss clear and then you will pass.
I wouldn't know I have random ones and pass every time.

First : Paying for the tests would be offset by the savings of those we didn't have to pay thanks to the failures.



Second : The "home remedy" is 99.995% total BS.

Third : They should be totally random. But with everything else PC will run amock on this and likely would never have any teeth BUT it needs to be done and should be done.

[Bobby]

"Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? "

Well, this has some appeal to me. I took so many in the Navy, I'd probably automatically go fill a cup in front of a stranger handing it to me, just out of habit. But, of course, we'd just increase the size of the criminal class if we cut off funds to so many.

But maybe it's time to give up on the drug war, at least for pot. Look at the documentaries- drug laws came into being purely as racist measures, primarily against Chinese and blacks. The government has flat out lied too many times over drugs. Apparently, no one has ever documented a single death due to pot, except maybe for DUI type incidents. Outside of very heavy use, it appears it is less damaging than alcohol. As for cancer, you can eat it (brownies, anyone?) or use some sort of vaporizer. I saw a LEO type on TV saying "That's all we need - another intoxicant!" I can sympathize, but it seems a less socially destructive intoxicant than alcohol, save for the damage we cause by criminalizing it. And we already have it.

I've come a long way, 180 out from my previous thinking. I'm not a user, never have been, but enough's enough. Far too many in the population use it for it to be as harmful as the DEA claims. Let's cut the legs out from under the criminal gangs destroying Mexico and other countries (& to some degree, our own) by making it legal. And reap the taxes. And finally make excellent hemp clothing. BTW, the hemp used for clothing won't get you high.

Remember, this stuff is a weed that used to grow widely in the US. Of course, the stuff today has been bred to much higher strength.

Heck- what do I know? Maybe I'm wrong. I only recently learned its the buds that are smoked/used. I thought it was the leaves.

Oh- and google it - there's a lot of people selling various schemes to subvert drug tests for pot & other drugs. No idea if they work.

Pure sanity, I tell ya...... BTW, I experimented with it a little bit back in the late 60s haven't touched it since. I believed in what you say then and still do.

[NotMe546]

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"Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? "

Well, this has some appeal to me. I took so many in the Navy, I'd probably automatically go fill a cup in front of a stranger handing it to me, just out of habit. But, of course, we'd just increase the size of the criminal class if we cut off funds to so many.

But maybe it's time to give up on the drug war, at least for pot. Look at the documentaries- drug laws came into being purely as racist measures, primarily against Chinese and blacks. The government has flat out lied too many times over drugs. Apparently, no one has ever documented a single death due to pot, except maybe for DUI type incidents. Outside of very heavy use, it appears it is less damaging than alcohol. As for cancer, you can eat it (brownies, anyone?) or use some sort of vaporizer. I saw a LEO type on TV saying "That's all we need - another intoxicant!" I can sympathize, but it seems a less socially destructive intoxicant than alcohol, save for the damage we cause by criminalizing it. And we already have it.

I've come a long way, 180 out from my previous thinking. I'm not a user, never have been, but enough's enough. Far too many in the population use it for it to be as harmful as the DEA claims. Let's cut the legs out from under the criminal gangs destroying Mexico and other countries (& to some degree, our own) by making it legal. And reap the taxes. And finally make excellent hemp clothing. BTW, the hemp used for clothing won't get you high.

Remember, this stuff is a weed that used to grow widely in the US. Of course, the stuff today has been bred to much higher strength.

Heck- what do I know? Maybe I'm wrong. I only recently learned its the buds that are smoked/used. I thought it was the leaves.

Oh- and google it - there's a lot of people selling various schemes to subvert drug tests for pot & other drugs. No idea if they work.

I agree as far as pot goes. Did you see Dip-Sh*t glenn beck show to day? He was talking about how California wants to legalize it just for the tax money.
The D-S was calling his guess Rob Kampia a stoner cause he was for it, well he made D-S look like one.

Legalize, Tax Marijuana?

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It provides some good food for thought.

'Urine or You're Out'. (Everywhere)

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Reply to: pers-1054671536@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
Date: 2009-02-28, 5:01PM EST



Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I
pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to
get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I
have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my
taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.
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I guess we could title that program, 'Urine or You're Out'.

The bigger problem is people who accept the idea that they must take a urine test!
I don't get that mind set. If you screw up have reason for cause etc yes. Pilots, truck drivers, OK.
The next part is why accept "I go to work, the government takes a percentage and gives it to others." Like this is some special club and you're paying membership. However, you may not realize it but your post is clear, this isn't a concern about helping others, it's really you don't like being forced to help those that politicians think deserve part of your daily labor more than you do.
Well considering the times, maybe it's time we realize we now have a real opportunity for real change in how we do things Instead of hoping more "politics as usual" ie more government spending and higher taxes will fix things, I hope instead we'll finally tell all those in office-keep your urine- you're out.
To paraphrase a current television campaign-"It's your money, you earned it and you need it now!"