grounding to a copper water pipe

[Jimbo]

Yah, they are. PEX is really big here in California. It's about the only thing used in new construction now. The good news is, rental companies have the tools now, so for do it yourselfers it's not to bad. I remember the first time I saw it, I was amazed. It's expensive, but the labor savings vs. copper easily makes up the difference...

I'll stick with copper ...



My house I flipped, last year I replaced ALL the copper the week I took possesion, around Christmas last year someone broke in and stole it all, I considered PEX then, till I saw the price for tools.
I put in the tried and true copper again

[raoul5788]

I'll stick with copper ...

My house I flipped, last year I replaced ALL the copper the week I took possesion, around Christmas last year someone broke in and stole it all, I considered PEX then, till I saw the price for tools.
I put in the tried and true copper again

Copper is tried and true here in the US, but PEX has been used in Europe for decades. Not only is it much cheaper than copper, but MUCH faster to install. It handles freezing temperatures better, also. The cost of the tools is more than made up in the reduced cost of the materials and time saved, plus you own the tools when you are done. It's a no brainer in my book, but some say I have no brains!

[harshness]

Have you ever looked to see how expensive the PEX stuff is ?

Have you ever heard of PEX failing (I've seen frozen PEX expand to double its nominal size without splitting)? Have you ever seen PEX close up when kinked?

PEX doesn't conduct heat, water hammer or noise as well as copper, but that's a good thing.

[Jimbo]

Copper is tried and true here in the US, but PEX has been used in Europe for decades. Not only is it much cheaper than copper, but MUCH faster to install. It handles freezing temperatures better, also. The cost of the tools is more than made up in the reduced cost of the materials and time saved, plus you own the tools when you are done. It's a no brainer in my book, but some say I have no brains!

It's a no brainer if you do this often, working with plumbing, but it's not very economical when your only doing one house.

[Jimbo]

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Have you ever heard of PEX failing (I've seen frozen PEX expand to double its nominal size without splitting)? Have you ever seen PEX close up when kinked?

PEX doesn't conduct heat, water hammer or noise as well as copper, but that's a good thing.

Ok

[Jimbo]

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