So whos NOT getting a Hopper due to lack of OTA?

[Hall]

Until DISH can carry all the various sub channels that many ota stations have, then ota will still be necessary. ... Not to mention that the first thing goes out in a bad rain storm is satellite. So for bad weather situations like Tornadoes, Hurricanes etc, ota is essential.

According to the FCC (
http://dtv.gov/dtv_stats.htm?l=EN

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), very few people, based on total percentage of TV viewers, feel that it is "necessary". Only 11% of households bother with OTA reception.... Pffft, I thought it was actually higher than that too !

[GaryPen]

So you're saying that the average customer does care about OTA, because there is room to care less?

Really? Is it worth calling someone out over a typo in a common expression?

Yes. It is.
Of course we all knew what he meant. It doesn't make his wording any less incorrect. And, if enough people would point out when people incorrectly use the language, perhaps it will happen less often in the future.

[dare2be]

Yes. It is.
Of course we all knew what he meant. It doesn't make his wording any less incorrect. And, if enough people would point out when people incorrectly use the language, perhaps it will happen less often in the future.

Actually, the proper usage is "could care less", because if he couldn't care less, he wouldn't even bother to type it/say it.

[TNGTony]

Actually, the proper usage is "could care less", because if he couldn't care less, he wouldn't even bother to type it/say it.

At this point in the conversation I am reminded of a particular scene in the feature film section of Kentucky Fried Movie, "A Fist Full of Yen" where Dr. Klan explains about the arrangement of his prisoners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1WZ6a6YYJg

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[dontpanic]

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Really? Is it worth calling someone out over a typo in a common expression?

Yes. It is.
Of course we all knew what he meant. It doesn't make his wording any less incorrect. And, if enough people would point out when people incorrectly use the language, perhaps it will happen less often in the future.

As GaryPen said, yes, it is worth it. But it wasn't a typo; it was incorrect phrasing. If you're going to write something, understand what you are actually writing versus what you mean. What Hall wrote isn't what he meant, but unless someone points it out he might not ever learn.

The point he was trying to make...

I understand the point he was trying to make, but the point I'm trying to make is that he needs to learn to think about phrasing things so that they actually mean what he wants them to mean. It may not be extremely important in this forum, but it is certainly important elsewhere.

Look at the following sentences:

Currently all access is not logged.

Currently not all access is logged.

A lot of people will write the first sentence thinking that it means that some access is logged but not all of it, but that's not what it means. It means that no access is logged. The second sentence implies that some access is logged. Just moving the word "not" changed the meaning of the sentence.

Someone at work was sending information to an auditor that was phrased like the first sentence. The auditor then thought that no access was logged, which was not the case, and caused us grief until we explained (and provided evidence) that some access was logged. Of course, a better phrasing would be something like:

Currently some access is logged.



This example should tell you that proper phrasing is important.

[MikeD-C05]

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According to the FCC (
http://dtv.gov/dtv_stats.htm?l=EN

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), very few people, based on total percentage of TV viewers, feel that it is "necessary". Only 11% of households bother with OTA reception.... Pffft, I thought it was actually higher than that too !

Well I'm sure that ota use if down ,because of years of peopel subbing to either cable or satellite or telecos. But when the country turned to digital and turned off analog tv, it was widely advertised that HD tv was free and available for those who could put up an antenna. So I'm betting that the ota usage went up over what i was before the digital transition. And even though the percentage of ota Tv viewers is lower , it doesn't mean that there aren't people who still use it . Look at land line telephone usage in this country. It is steadily dropping every year and cell phone usage is rising year after year. I don't see them taking the telephone poles down yet. Although Ota will most likely be done away with sooner or later, I don't see it happening in this decade. Market changes will probably force the ota channels down ,because companies can't make any money by giving them away for free. Dvrs are making advertisements less profitable as well. But for satellite tv , it is still essential for ota to be part of the basic setup for viewers , for emergencies like tornadoes, hurricanes, hail, etc. Now in the next decade I can see that ota and even satellite tv becoming less used and internet delivered tv rising. Unless satellite tv can enable their boxes to include interenet applications , I don't see them becoming nothing more than a rural delivery system. But for now ota is still essential.