Dish releases numbers for the quarter tommorow morning

DISH Network's Form 10-K will have detailed info once filed later today.

Just looking at overall numbers from last year same time, Quote: The company closed the fourth quarter with 13.671 million Pay-TV subscribers, compared to 13.897 million Pay-TV subscribers in the fourth quarter of 2015. This is 226,000 less subs if math is correct.

The net gain is measured and was from the previous quarter, not the same quarter last year.
 
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The only way to resolve this controversy is for Dish Network to release its subscription numbers separately for Satellite and SlingTV services. I won't be holding my breath as Dish doesn't want the public to know.
 
The only way to resolve this controversy is for Dish Network to release its subscription numbers separately for Satellite and SlingTV services. I won't be holding my breath as Dish doesn't want the public to know.
There's no controversy. They don't break it down that way and you are free to like or not like it that way. Regardless, this is good news for Dish.
 
DISH Network's Form 10-K will have detailed info once filed later today.

Just looking at overall numbers from last year same time, Quote: The company closed the fourth quarter with 13.671 million Pay-TV subscribers, compared to 13.897 million Pay-TV subscribers in the fourth quarter of 2015. This is 226,000 less subs if math is correct.
226,000 fewer subscribers for the whole year, yes, but they had been losing customers in Q1-Q3, and Q4 showed a gain, so the numbers are turning around, but just recently.
 
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Dish's refusal to break out its high-margin satellite TV subscriber numbers from its low-margin Sling TV subscribers is just a way to deceive its stockholders. Clearly Dish is not being honest about its subscriber losses.

Such deception should be banned but I guess they figured out a way to get around being candid with investors.
Shareholders could care less where subscribers were gained or lost, or if there were gains or losses period, as long as Dish earns a tidy profit, plus "beats the street" with .70 EPS rather than the estimated .66 EPS, they could care less. I have a little investment in Dish that has did quite well of late. I hope they continue to do well. It will be interesting to hear or read the transcript from the conference call when ever it is scheduled for.
 
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I'm so sick of the cheating. Even Comcast fudges their video subscribers by offering a package with locals and HBO with their internet packages.

They need more video subscribers, they just take away some of the internet only packages making it cheaper to take the bundle.
 
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As they say Rome was not built in a day, those figures are encouraging not great, but if a trend then good. Assuming enough subscribers know about it the current customer deals and the Flex packages should help with turnover. It does look like at least some of it came from Satellite subscriptions.
I will say that looking at the industry as a whole, makes the report look even a little better.
While I agree with you,
Not so sure with increasing ARPU, Flex really did anything extravagant.
FLEX with with locals, Hopper 3 and say HBO is only $75.

You don't get Rising ARPU by customers spending less than the $85 average last time around.

While Flex is a Nice in the door price.
I would love to see a real number just to see how many of those Flex customers actually switched to Top 200 once they realized a few Ad ons , and your spending more and getting less.
 
Simple math would lead to the conclusion that if ARPU went up even with the addition of low end SlingTV subs then somebody's spending some money on satellite services. 2+2 still does equal 4. :)
Again we agree, $20-40 per month customers don't increase an ARPU from $86-88 .
Especially when you're only Talking about 28,000 sub additions.
 
While I agree with you,
Not so sure with increasing ARPU, Flex really did anything extravagant.
FLEX with with locals, Hopper 3 and say HBO is only $75.

You don't get Rising ARPU by customers spending less than the $85 average last time around.

While Flex is a Nice in the door price.
I would love to see a real number just to see how many of those Flex customers actually switched to Top 200 once they realized a few Ad ons , and your spending more and getting less.
The two year price lock deal on the T200 made more sense to me than the Flex pack, and is close enough in price to what Flex would have cost that it didn't matter.
 
I think the streaming services need to be just a bit more mature before I can consider switching to Sling or PS Vue. Other than that, Charlie isn't wrong.
 

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