I would say that 90% of what you are watching on Cable or your little DISH originally came to your provider by C Band.
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There is no such a small relative portion of the population using c-band, actually there is a huge portion of the public which directly or indirectly uses it; C-Band is the preferred way to link commercial broadcasters with many countries in the world, precisely for its wide cone; for example it is widely used to transmit discovery channel, movie channels, etc., to local cable suppliers in South America, Asia and Africa and am pretty sure to many places yet in North America and Europe.
Do you have any solid numbers? I suspect that much of the stuff that's currently on C-band isn't network uplinks and movie channels anymore. A lot of that stuff has gone terrestrial or at least smaller dish.
Because satellite footprints are limited, their frequencies can be used for different purposes in different regions.
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Here is a snippet of broadcast companies who use C-Band to transmit the master feeds (info courtesy of Lyngsat) just here in the US
Pac 12
Viacom
ESPN
A&E
AMC
NBC Universal/Comcast
Turner
ABC/Disney
Tribune (WGN, ANtennaTV)
Discovery
HDNet
NFL Net & Redzone
Hallmark
Epix
Univision
Fox Sports (RSN's and FS1/FS2)
Scripps
and all the Movie networks (HBO, Starz, Cinemax, Showtime)
Note these are companies so its all ESPN's, all Turner Nets, All A&E Nets, etc
I have to admit to not being a big fan of the accuracy (timeliness) of Lyngsat, but does the number of commercial carriers present really indicate that the band is serving the public good?
As more content transitions to both higher compression and terrestrial distribution, I believe that the use of C-band for TV will decline accordingly and that's what these regulators have to be considering.
For numbers, I don't have detailed statistics one way or the other but I do have some anecdotal evidence. My local Comcast used to have seven or eight C-band dishes and now they are down to three or four. I am inclined to believe that their dependence on C-band is diminishing even though the number of channels they offer has doubled over the same period.
In about a month, give or take a week or two, the spring sun outage/interference season will be upon us. Combine the Lyngsat channel charts with a a sun outage calculator, like this one, set for the location of your cable headend (which isn't necessarily the nearest office) and the particular satellites. See if there is then a correlation between the predicted sun outage times for a particular satellite and a temporary loss of signal for the channels Lyngsat shows as broadcasting from said satellite. If there is, then the cable system is receiving the channel via C-band.
I do this every year during the twice-yearly sun outage cycle, and, like clockwork, virtually all cable channels on my local Charter system go off air, for as much as 7 minutes at a time, in line with the times predicted by the calculator as well as the Lyngsat charts of which channel is on which satellite. The channels are clearly being fed into the cable system via C-band.
This method also works to confirm C-band reception with most of the subchannels on my local broadcast stations (the main stations generally air local or prefed syndicated programming during the sun outage times, so they are not affected). Sun outages will also affect radio stations that simply relay programming off C-band. Every year, there is at least a handful of radio stations in my area that go silent in line with the predicted sun outage time for AMC-8, the primary North American satellite for radio programming.
I do this every year during the twice-yearly sun outage cycle, and, like clockwork, virtually all cable channels on my local Charter system go off air, for as much as 7 minutes at a time, in line with the times predicted by the calculator as well as the Lyngsat charts of which channel is on which satellite. The channels are clearly being fed into the cable system via C-band.
This method also works to confirm C-band reception with most of the subchannels on my local broadcast stations (the main stations generally air local or prefed syndicated programming during the sun outage times, so they are not affected). Sun outages will also affect radio stations that simply relay programming off C-band. Every year, there is at least a handful of radio stations in my area that go silent in line with the predicted sun outage time for AMC-8, the primary North American satellite for radio programming.
with the advancement of how they can transmit (DVB-S2) versus DVB or analog more companies are broadcasting on the same satellites. Also those C-Band dishes can have multi-feeds on them to get more than one satellite
Several engineering friends of mine working at cable company headends confirm that over 90% of their channels are delivered via satellite. The remainder are local channels, playout and IP delivery.
Several large cable companies have created their own company fiber distribution network to feed regional hubs, but the content primarily originates from satellite distribution.
Several large cable companies have created their own company fiber distribution network to feed regional hubs, but the content primarily originates from satellite distribution.
looking at Lyngsat the following companies have their channels on one particular satellite
AMC
Turner
Disney
HBO
ESPN
WGN
NBC Universal
BET
Showtime
Music Choice
I have compared the IPTV Channels and Satellite Channels in the same receiver and Quality Picture via satellite is Superior.... So please, "Save Our C Band" ..
. So please, "Save Our C Band" ..C Band, a type of mirror in space specially attractive to the Providers of all HDTV in The America's (we have the most of everything and live in a Provider's Area, both in Cable regs. and States with many Mountain's); has the most abilities for All Provider's of Pay TV. Bandwidth is available to all channels wanting any services; and all services are available using differing "patterns" of channels. C Band is like using all signals; both freely advertising themselves to everybody (like NASA or GLC does); or making sure the Pay only typical formation's of Commercialism pays each Actor to Producer the quality they have set (format of their Production they are selling) to be seen on a HDTV in a digital progress with the rating of the program and CC or.and digital audio.
People ("We the people") who are in the Satellite Broadcaster's Industry of any formula or Company; know exactly what C Band means; EVERY CHANNEL IS AVAILABLE NATIONALLY in pure economics! The people here each work with C Band at a quality every forum has available.
Sun outages mostly effect cable c band dishes without motors! Digital C Band signals are "finer" tuned by moving the dish east or west of the arced satellites location (moving away from direct sunlight aggression's) to keep the signal locked! Do not get me wrong; the outage is still there; but if the dish is perfectly off-set (I have done this at 10 feet (at 12-15 feet they do not get any outage when worked this way) and witnessed 10-15 seconds of outage compared to 10 minutes but I am moving the dish both directions) from the sun and still has the satellite signal strong enough; it stays locked (like a six foot dish; (KU Band rely's upon these toroidial effectiveness powers and does not de-lock under directed sunlight outergages) does).
The feelings of people who have not or cannot understand Comm. in the US is that it has improved itself immensely by utilizing a digital signal should really see how well C Band signals work. People in the past, before digital formatting; have found interference; or Terrestrial Interference; as reasoning they want to say wire or glass works so well. Today, because it has gone digital (as they all have), C Band has almost no discernable, well drinks for all, no interference (and wind bonks, believe me; the hole you lay a dish flat in should be twice as big as the dish required)!
They are all re-broadcasting their "packaged" format. And oh, U-HD is a dowloaded commodity (as are Producer's formats); but live programming and delay is what Comm. System's do not talk about. Each re-animation of the original broadcast; gets stepped on by only re-broadcasters. If they crunch it down; they are "formatting" their own signal to something called scaling; which destroy's the original format; and makes it look so bad. Bandwidth to the cellphone has a very low ceiling in effective radiation aimed at everybodies head when you pick it up and put it next to your ear.
People ("We the people") who are in the Satellite Broadcaster's Industry of any formula or Company; know exactly what C Band means; EVERY CHANNEL IS AVAILABLE NATIONALLY in pure economics! The people here each work with C Band at a quality every forum has available.
Sun outages mostly effect cable c band dishes without motors! Digital C Band signals are "finer" tuned by moving the dish east or west of the arced satellites location (moving away from direct sunlight aggression's) to keep the signal locked! Do not get me wrong; the outage is still there; but if the dish is perfectly off-set (I have done this at 10 feet (at 12-15 feet they do not get any outage when worked this way) and witnessed 10-15 seconds of outage compared to 10 minutes but I am moving the dish both directions) from the sun and still has the satellite signal strong enough; it stays locked (like a six foot dish; (KU Band rely's upon these toroidial effectiveness powers and does not de-lock under directed sunlight outergages) does).
The feelings of people who have not or cannot understand Comm. in the US is that it has improved itself immensely by utilizing a digital signal should really see how well C Band signals work. People in the past, before digital formatting; have found interference; or Terrestrial Interference; as reasoning they want to say wire or glass works so well. Today, because it has gone digital (as they all have), C Band has almost no discernable, well drinks for all, no interference (and wind bonks, believe me; the hole you lay a dish flat in should be twice as big as the dish required)!
They are all re-broadcasting their "packaged" format. And oh, U-HD is a dowloaded commodity (as are Producer's formats); but live programming and delay is what Comm. System's do not talk about. Each re-animation of the original broadcast; gets stepped on by only re-broadcasters. If they crunch it down; they are "formatting" their own signal to something called scaling; which destroy's the original format; and makes it look so bad. Bandwidth to the cellphone has a very low ceiling in effective radiation aimed at everybodies head when you pick it up and put it next to your ear.
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i have three c band dishes that are active. The mobile phone industry and their data rationing is making way too much money. Now the pigs want to take the remainder of the uhf spectrum and now c band. i guess if c banders want to fight back there are ways of using uplink equipment to knock the phones off the spectrum.
why dont the wireless carriers just set up low power access points along the city streets and create more "cells" that are connected to wired broadband via fiber or copper. even issue microcells for homes where even people on the street could access it for their services just like comcast / xfinity is doing making a public hotspot out of everyones cable modem. it works well. i have "xfinity" hotspot service anywhere in town. i almost dont even need a data plan. i could get an old fashioned clamshell 3g phone and carry my s5 around without a sim card and do just as well without counting gigabytes.
Provider's own the "Path" they choose (and pay your path through their equipment they own). What you were saying is radiated power of your device is your limit of bandwidth. No, the provider does. That is, if you could utilize the 10/100t as wireless, that you will get a 10 MB or 100 MB link. The cellphone does not discern a picture with any other than the scale the screen is (mobi formulation). And who is that channel, or station; is charging you for MB and you get mb! Yes, it is exactly how they define how much money they "still remove" for all of their bandwidth. And they continually NEED more bandwidth (). Then require people to get a different hook-up (more bandwidth) for updates ended on their notes about it. The two still cannot compare to a whole satellite signal (which in C Band has over 24x50MB=2220MB?div whatever) in C Band utilization availability (and has double that avail. for U-HD channels) per satellite (x50+ satellites at tp) they use. Digital audio only (radio) on c band the least on c band at div 50 rates per tp. This signal may be the only one a cellphone carrier can compare itself with (at 5 bars). XM and serious! If you count how many big dishes are on each tower you are receiving their signal from; this determines how much is possible over their system (and what direction the main line is in (PATH x 2 div 2). Each Terr. link dish is how much can go in a certain direction to maintain each and every cellphone. C Band internet connections go at 50MB down (and at 56k up); and cellphones are speed limited mobily; with receptive quatity based rhythem's playin the blues away!
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Satellite Uplink interference with the terrestrial is also a concern expressed in the linked reports. The terrestrial reports suggest that the interference will be addressed by simply locating the uplink/downlinks in rural areas.
True, I was visiting a friend in South America the last year. I was on a small town and visited the site used to distribute cable TV , I was able to see al those BUD ( about seven) all pointing up ( funny, almost vertically) to the geostationary orbit. I witnessed also three or four LNB per dish. I will try to post some of the pictures I got.with the advancement of how they can transmit (DVB-S2) versus DVB or analog more companies are broadcasting on the same satellites. Also those C-Band dishes can have multi-feeds on them to get more than one satellite
Hi harshness;
You don't have to trust me or suspect anything. just visit any of Lyngsat, FTAlist of any other site that publish those lists. And if you still don't believe on those web sites, I will invite you to scan your sat box on each one of the satellites available in the western hemisphere, just make sure you set the box to download all the channels including the non-FTA.
Please also understand that for small local cable companies that are in the thousands in the American continent, from Alaska to "Tierra del Fuego"(Argentina) as well as Africa and Asia, it is probably the only option since those thousands of small towns don't have yet and may not have for a while the internet band required and if the wideband exist, it is still much more expensive than the initial capital for simply pointing up a BUD to the sky, which.
At the end the cost of the wideband will be charged to the final user that in most of the small towns may not even be able to afford the additional cost.
Here is an example of equipment sold for terrestrial use of the C-band 3.4 - 3.7GHz spectrum. http://www.flyteccomputers.com/deta...etM365&wre=1&gclid=CNqvm8XKzMMCFYRsfgod_UIAxQ This dual usage of these low C-band frequencies was previously approved by the WRC after studies were submitted showing that there would be minimal interference between the shared terrestrial and satellite services.
Guess what? The terrestrial services are launching and both commercial and residential C-band satellite systems are being severely affected. WiMax (wide Area WiFi) is wiping out reception in not only the shared low band, but even in the out of band in the upper C-band frequencies. Just ask satellite hobbyists in Australia, New Zealand, the Middle East, India, Philippines and many other countries if they are having satellite reception problems after the services launched. A few SatelliteGuys here in the US also have reported C-band reception problems after wireless WiFi has launched in their area. Some members have dropped the wireless service or relocated antennas. You might be SOL if your neighbor gets the wireless service installed and either doesn't want to or can't move their antenna.
Recently the 4g terrestrial service launched in the Philippines using the 3.4 - 3.7GHz range. Thousands of C-band systems have required a filter or LNBF upgrade to restore reception. WiMAX filtered LNBFs and the expensive waveguide frequency filters are selling like hotcakes! We have shipped many pallets of Titanium Satellite C1PLL LNBFs with WiMax filtering to the Philippines in the past few months. While this is good for sales, it isn't good for the industry! If this is happening with terrestrial usage below the 3.7GHz range, imagine what will happen when terrestrial usage is allowed within the same frequencies.
Guess what? The terrestrial services are launching and both commercial and residential C-band satellite systems are being severely affected. WiMax (wide Area WiFi) is wiping out reception in not only the shared low band, but even in the out of band in the upper C-band frequencies. Just ask satellite hobbyists in Australia, New Zealand, the Middle East, India, Philippines and many other countries if they are having satellite reception problems after the services launched. A few SatelliteGuys here in the US also have reported C-band reception problems after wireless WiFi has launched in their area. Some members have dropped the wireless service or relocated antennas. You might be SOL if your neighbor gets the wireless service installed and either doesn't want to or can't move their antenna.
Recently the 4g terrestrial service launched in the Philippines using the 3.4 - 3.7GHz range. Thousands of C-band systems have required a filter or LNBF upgrade to restore reception. WiMAX filtered LNBFs and the expensive waveguide frequency filters are selling like hotcakes! We have shipped many pallets of Titanium Satellite C1PLL LNBFs with WiMax filtering to the Philippines in the past few months. While this is good for sales, it isn't good for the industry! If this is happening with terrestrial usage below the 3.7GHz range, imagine what will happen when terrestrial usage is allowed within the same frequencies.
I think that it is being looked at due to the increase of fiber to headends now and in the future. I say this as I'm working w/someone to help put in an IPTV network (as in a program provider) as it is now feasible to carry that to so many of the commercial locations at a reasonable price now. We will most likely be offering it to home as well but 1st we will just have to see what we can get for investment. Which at the moment is looking very good.
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