Setting up Wave Frontier T90

Discussion in 'Free To Air (FTA) Discussion' started by dangrenier, Oct 22, 2006.

  1. dangrenier

    dangrenier Thread Starter Member

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    How did you find the correct elevation angle? I just got my T90 and i am in the process of setting it up. Like you said, there's only a big bolt with 2 nuts. I have an angle finder and i placed it on one of the triangle shaped part that is bolted into the center of the dish. According to Wave Frontier, that's where the angle finder should be. However my elevation angle is supposed to be close to 46 degrees. When i set it up to 46... it looks as if the center of the dish itself is pointing somewhere low... in my backyard... not at the sky. So i wonder if i got the proper elevation. I did get a good signal from the bird i was trying to find... but then again i'm not even sure that this is the proper bird
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  2. Iceberg

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    yes that would be correct. The dish looks like its facing down but that is normal due to the 22 degree offset. Mine is at 38 degrees and it looks like its facing the ground
  3. Iceberg

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    broke this off the review :)
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    I put my angle finder on the big piece of metal (where the triangles attach to)
  5. dangrenier

    dangrenier Thread Starter Member

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    Thank you! That is actually what i did. Good to know it's normal to have the dish looking like that
  6. Iceberg

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    I just checked mine and 38 degrees makes the dish tilt in farther towards the house than the edge of the divider between the townhouses (so the dish looks like its aiming at the ground)
  7. dangrenier

    dangrenier Thread Starter Member

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    Well! i tried and tried today for about 6 hours and could not get the T90 to work. When i used the settings sent by wave frontier with skew, elevation and azimuth, i could only get one bird... the other two were showing 0%. Let me just give you a quick heads up. I already have my Bell and Dish receivers and they were hooked up to their respective dish. They were on the roof of my shed and i had to tear it apart. So i decided to combine both on a T90. In other words i'm trying to get 91, 110 and 119. On my dish receiver, i got all the chans from 110 but nothing from 119. Then i went to my bell receiver...no signal at all... bird was not even locked up on the screen. I have the feeling that the company settings aren't good... Should i try the settings provided by SatLex?
  8. Iceberg

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    so you have a subscription to both Dish & ExpressVu?
    I did the same thing with my DIsh & StarChocie subscriptions...combvined dishes

    here is the link to setting it up
    http://www.satlex.de/en/wavefrontier_calc.html

    you do need to skew the dish.
  9. dangrenier

    dangrenier Thread Starter Member

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    Yes i do have subscriptions to both and i had the very first dish (with a single lnb and no skew) for both BEV and Dish Network. I should have setup my old dish temporarily on my roof or somewhere else before trying to T90. Now i am stuck with no tv at all.... But i know a lot of people were able to successfully setup a T90 so i am not worried.
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    once you get the hang of it, it is easy to work with. Since you are working with DBS, there is a little more leeway with the fine tuning of signal.
  11. dangrenier

    dangrenier Thread Starter Member

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    Ok i got the information form SatLex.
    They were a tiny bit different that what WaveFrontier sent me. Especially with the placement of the LNB for 91. They have it at 17.1 and WaveFrontier had it at 14.5
    Also the skew is 69 instead of the 66 WaveFrontier sent me.
    The elevation is 44 instead of 46.

    Based on your experience, what is the best way to proceed.
    At some point yesterday i had 110 which is the bird closest to the middle of the arc. The dish wasn't skewed at this point. I had a pretty good signal... somewhere along 75%. I would not get anything from 119 or 91. Then i skewed the dish to 66 and just lost everything.

    I looks as if skewing the dish throws the azimuth and elevation off and you have to take everything back to square one.
  12. jerryt

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    You need to have a cheap signal meter. It will not work trying to set up a T90 with a receiver.

    Best to set up the T90 with a circular lnb in the center with out any dish skew.

    Then add outboard circular lnbs and skew for the best signal on the two outboard lnbs. readjust aim of center lnb (by moving on rail).

    (You can not get peak signal from both 91 and 129 at the same time, because they will want different skews of the dish. This skew adjustment is a compremise of the best from both. IE 129 has signal strength of 9 on cheap signal meter at dish skew of 63, 91 has a signal strength of 9 at dish skew of 65. Compremise is a signal strength of 8 on both at skew of 64.)

    That is the coarse adjustment. Numbers can be off from Satlex and Wave Frontier, Satlex calculator is incorrect for all LNBs on one side of the dish. Use rail markings and add or subtract for coarse placement of holders. IE 110 - 20 = 90 and 110 + 20 = 130, so 91 is at right 19 and 129 is left 19.

    next install linear lnbs and make small adjustments to peak the two most outboard linear lnbs.
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2006
  13. dangrenier

    dangrenier Thread Starter Member

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    Alright i'll give it a shot when i get back from work
    Thank you
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    dangenier

    Is there any other LNB's you need to put on besides 91, 110, 119?

    When I set up mine, I skewed the dish first then put the first LNB on and went from there.
  15. dangrenier

    dangrenier Thread Starter Member

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    Iceberg... No those are the only LNB i need.
    I will have to call in Dish and see what they have on 119 (since i didn't have it on my original first generation dish). I might not need it at all but i have 3 LNB's so i figured out i would get 91, 110 like i had... and then it was the debate whether to get 82 or 119... i went with 119.
  16. dangrenier

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    I guess the other thing i'd need to know is.
    Should i set the LNB in the holder and thight them up to the settings i got or should i leave them loose (so i can turn them) and then search for the different birds by playing with the LNB on the arc once my elevation- skew and azimuth are set?
  17. Iceberg

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    I would put 110 in the middle and try and get 119 & 91. If you are behind the dish, 119 is to the LEFT of 110 and 91 is to the right (they go backwards from the sky)
    I left the holders pretty loose when I slid them down the bar to find best signal.
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    I have to ask the obvious...since you have a subscription, you are using the reverse polarity LNB's right? (the special ones)
  19. dangrenier

    dangrenier Thread Starter Member

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    Ummm Good question!
    I would assume so if i got a signal from within my Dish receiver.
  20. dangrenier

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    Here's an update. Tried the new settings tonight. Once again i can get a very good signal (about 90%) out of 110. Then when i tried to get 119 i had no reading at all not even a scrap. I started to change the location of the LNB on the arc and change the LNB rotation to match the position on the arc to see if i could get any burst in the reading indicating whre 119 needs to be on the arc. Nothing! I started to lose patience when i decided to check if i could get any signal on my Bell receiver. Turns out i could get something out of 91... Not as good as 110 but it was getting dark so i didn't have time to play more with the lnb. What does that mean? My elevation and skew are set to the settings i was given. Now im affraid of changing the skew or elevation in order to find 119 and therefore lose the signal i had on 110. Same thing for 91. I'm starting to think the trees in my backyard might be in the way. Although during the initial probing it seemed like i had enough clearance over the trees since the elevation was 45 degrees. But with how the dish seems to be aiming at... i am suddenly having doubts.

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