Appeals Court Finds Echostar in Contempt in TIVO Case
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Scott are you sure you couldn't do with out some of those dvrs? Sounds awful expensive . Maybe just switch to 211ks and add external hard drives. Would keep you bill what is was before the price increase.
Scott E-Bay is your friend. You could sell them for enough money to buy cheaper 211ks. Especially since the dishstore.net is selling them so cheaply now. I know you would lose some money in selling them , but it would be less than the monthly equipment fees at $17.00 a month per duo tuner dvr.
The time to payback is pretty long, once you figure in the entire cost.
and at any time E could change the rules and add fees to the 211s.
Proof is how much the existing fee structure changed
The time to payback is pretty long, once you figure in the entire cost.
and at any time E could change the rules and add fees to the 211s.
Proof is how much the existing fee structure changed
Well stated, Bob. One of your rare moments!
The luxury of a duo DVR in a room not often used to justify having it has now become a real cost per month.
I had to make this decision with my broadband service here and as much as I liked having my 3G Verizon card in my laptop, I could,'t justify the cost per month since I don't have the travel needs anymore. Now I tether and save $66 per month.
I only have a need for a DVR dual tuner in single mode in the home theater. The Kitchen and my father's room gets served by a 722 in dual mode. In reality, we could be well served with a dual tuner receiver and save the cost on that but I still can afford to have that as a backup DVR and have found the need for it several times a month. But if money gets tight, I drop back to a single 722K and exchange the 722 for two simple receivers. We rarely record anything to watch on the 722 in dual mode. Just backups to the 722K of important programs. A strong nice to have but certainly not a need to have.
TiVo may partner with Echostar
Another loss, brighter future, expected from TiVo
March 8, 2010 9:12 AM ET
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TiVo Inc. is expected to report a fifth consecutive quarterly loss after the markets close Monday but there is new optimism for the company's future in the wake of a positive court ruling last week.
Analysts project a fourth quarter loss of 12 cents a share on $47.45 million in revenue, compared to a loss a year ago of 4 cents a share on $59.2 million in revenue.
JPMorgan analyst Bridget Weishaar hiked her rating on the Los Gatos video rental company (NASDAQ:TIVO) to overweight from neutral on Friday. That camea day after a U.S. appeals court ruledDish Network Corp. (NASDAQISH) and EchoStar Corp. (SATS) (NASDAQ:SATS) have continued to infringe on TiVo's patent and must stop providing digital-video recording products.
Weishaar projects a TiVo future that includes a partnership with EchoStar, future infringement case wins, and an acceleration in the rate of new partnerships.
Much of the company's growth will come from agreements with cable providers and telecommunications companies, she believes, rather than sales of its set-top boxes. The margin on such agreements, she projects, will be about 80 percent.
"Further, we believe that much of the revenue generated through these agreements will flow directly to the bottom line," she wrote.
Weishaar's new price price target for TiVo is $23, up from from $15. The stock has nearly tripled in the past year, closing Friday at $17.50 after hitting a 52-week high of $17.98 earlier in the day.
Copyright 2010 bizjournals.com
Another loss, brighter future, expected from TiVo
March 8, 2010 9:12 AM ET
advertisement
bizjournals.com
TiVo Inc. is expected to report a fifth consecutive quarterly loss after the markets close Monday but there is new optimism for the company's future in the wake of a positive court ruling last week.
Analysts project a fourth quarter loss of 12 cents a share on $47.45 million in revenue, compared to a loss a year ago of 4 cents a share on $59.2 million in revenue.
JPMorgan analyst Bridget Weishaar hiked her rating on the Los Gatos video rental company (NASDAQ:TIVO) to overweight from neutral on Friday. That camea day after a U.S. appeals court ruledDish Network Corp. (NASDAQ
ISH) and EchoStar Corp. (SATS) (NASDAQ:SATS) have continued to infringe on TiVo's patent and must stop providing digital-video recording products.Weishaar projects a TiVo future that includes a partnership with EchoStar, future infringement case wins, and an acceleration in the rate of new partnerships.
Much of the company's growth will come from agreements with cable providers and telecommunications companies, she believes, rather than sales of its set-top boxes. The margin on such agreements, she projects, will be about 80 percent.
"Further, we believe that much of the revenue generated through these agreements will flow directly to the bottom line," she wrote.
Weishaar's new price price target for TiVo is $23, up from from $15. The stock has nearly tripled in the past year, closing Friday at $17.50 after hitting a 52-week high of $17.98 earlier in the day.
Copyright 2010 bizjournals.com
I would love to see some sort of agreement between the two companies. One that generates revenue for TiVo, but is not outlandish that raises fees on all Dish customers. Will they reach such an agreement? Who knows.
Tivo would be wise to demand payments upfront after seeing what happened to the agreement between EchoStar and VOOM.
Will investors sue Charlie Ergen?
Will shareholders more to recoup more than $200 million of their poorly managed (aka gambled) money? Is there any doubt this case is the personal vendetta of only one individual? I say yes on both counts.
DISH’s Ergen won’t give in to TiVo: ‘I’m just stubborn’
While I commend Dish Network for initially fighting with Tivo in the courts, how many more hundreds of millions of dollars must EchoStar blow before its shareholders revolt? As I have mentioned before, most investors would like to know their hard earned funds are being used wisely and in a responsible manner, and that the CEO isn't squandering tens if not hundreds of millions because he's "stubborn" and doesn't like the Tivo ruling. EchoStar should have settled this matter back in 2007/2008...instead, they now find themselves in a very difficult situation with a very real possibility that 3-4 million DVRs will be downgraded. The alternative is to pay Tivo licensing fees at unfavorable rates.
Will shareholders more to recoup more than $200 million of their poorly managed (aka gambled) money? Is there any doubt this case is the personal vendetta of only one individual? I say yes on both counts.
DISH’s Ergen won’t give in to TiVo: ‘I’m just stubborn’
Damn Jim, I know you don't like Charlie but can't you find something newer to harp on?
That article is over 2 years old already.
Damn Jim, I know you don't like Charlie but can't you find something newer to harp on?
That article is over 2 years old already.
He has. Wondering why everyone doesn't drop Dish for Fios, forgetting he is one of the only 5 people on the planet that can get Fios.
I think Charlie Ergen is an outstanding businessman...however, I don't think EchoStar shareholders are very happy about his blowing hundreds of millions in shareholder funds because he is "stubborn" in the Tivo case. While most people have been focused on the consumer aspect of losing DVR functionality, investors will focus on how their funds are being used used or, in this case, misused. The reason I am reposting the 2-year old article is to show what many of us predicted would happen...Mr. Ergen's actions to avoid a licensing agreement and violating a court order would potentially cost the company $$$,$$$,$$$. The CEO and BOD have some explaining to do...Damn Jim, I know you don't like Charlie but can't you find something newer to harp on?
That article is over 2 years old already.
Here's another link to a story released yesterday. I browsed the thread quickly and did not see it posted so . . . if it is sorry for the repost.
Court Sees DVR Case TiVo's Way
Court Sees DVR Case TiVo's Way
If someone owns shares in a company then they know how the CEO runs it...
Maybe thats why Dish was just moved from a hold to a buy.
Maybe thats why Dish was just moved from a hold to a buy.
Funny...I don't recall mentioned FiOS in my post...or in this thread? Anyway, my comments were made to solicit input from EchoStar shareholders.He has. Wondering why everyone doesn't drop Dish for Fios, forgetting he is one of the only 5 people on the planet that can get Fios.
Funny...I don't recall mentioned FiOS in my post...or in this thread? Anyway, my comments were made to solicit input from EchoStar shareholders.
Just joking with you. Scott was asking if you ever post about anything besides your grudge with Charlie, and I gave an answer.
In regards to your post, if we imagine there are 6 million DVRs (seems reasonable), and Tivo asked for $1.25 a month (I think they will ask for more), that's $90M Dish is on the hook for every year. I bet many shareholders are glad Charlie is fighting, especially if it keeps the VIPs licencing fee free.
