ex-Penn State coach Sandusky sentenced to 30 to 60 years in prison

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I opt for well-organized abusive institutional control. ;) Although some may vehemently disagree (and they would have a valid argument) the Sandusky Scandal largely focused around the criminal actions of a.) a "former" football coach who has no official role nor association with the football program to my knowledge and b.) the actions of school administrators. While this matter may have brought great embarrasement and shame to the football program, it did not directly involve the football program, per se. Now, if an "active" coach or players were involved with these incidents...well, now that's quite another story.

I disagree. And draw on this argument from the NY Times, which is much more eloquent than I could be.

The argument that the extensive cover-up had nothing to do with football is absurd. Jerry Sandusky was treated the very way he was, as if he were the victim, because he was a member of the Penn State football family. Like the Mafia, it’s a membership for life as long as you don’t snitch on other made members.

If Sandusky had been anything else but a former assistant coach so instrumental in the school’s rise to football glory in the 1990s and Paterno’s commensurate rise to idol status, would there have been such handwringing over what to do? Would there have been such a disgraceful blind eye turned to the obvious evidence that Sandusky was a pederast?

Of course not.

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City of Grambling wants Paterno record vacated

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Calls to change Joe Paterno record

An attorney for the city of Grambling, La., has asked the NCAA infractions committee to vacate some of Joe Paterno's record 409 Division I victories.

Grambling is the home of Grambling State University. Coach Eddie Robinson led Grambling to 408 victories during his career with the Tigers, a total that was passed by Paterno less than two weeks before he was fired as the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal broke.

City attorney Pamela Breedlove said she filed the request with the approval of Mayor Edward Jones because the university is such a valued and important part of the city. The Shreveport (La.) Times first reported the request.

Breedlove said she did not have an opinion about how many victories should be vacated. The three-page request she sent to the NCAA details the city's position, which says that the Freeh Report's conclusions are enough evidence to give the record back to Robinson.

"We just believe that you would want to associate the record with someone who had the character of coach (Eddie) Robinson," Breedlove said. "Especially now that we've come to realize how bad things really were (at Penn State)."


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Okay, this story is just plain idiotic! In a nutshell, these Grambling yutzes are saying, "Paterno holds the record fair and square, but because he may have done something wrong well-outside of his coaching duties, his professional record should be vacated and the "revised" record given to our coach because he's a lovely chap." :confused:

How silly is this argument? It's the same reason the NCAA should stay-out of this matter...it's a civil/criminal issue involving the abuse of school administration; it has almost nothing to with their football program. This article is a good example of how people let their emotions overtake linear thought; they are unable to separate the issues. Moreover, it is a perfect example of someone using an unfortunate situation to advance their agenda.
 
I have been reading that the Big Ten wants to give Penn State the boot and I thought I heard some are saying they should disband the football program? Anyone else hear this
 
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I have been reading that the Big Ten wants to give Penn State the boot and I thought I heard some are saying they should disband the football program? Anyone else hear this

Look in the NCAA football thread. I posted a link earlier today about it. It just some crazy what if thoughts, like also giving Delaney the power to fire coaches and athletic department official if they do something that hurts the image of the Big 10

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I have been reading that the Big Ten wants to give Penn State the boot and I thought I heard some are saying they should disband the football program? Anyone else hear this

Just more of the "mob rules" mentality...take swings without knowing the facts or who you're hitting, and watch the scumbags slither in to advance their own agendas. The city of Grambling LA is a perfect example.
 
Penn State President Orders Paterno Statue Removal


STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (KDKA/AP) – The president of Penn State University says he has ordered the removal of the statue of Hall of Fame coach Joe Paterno.

The university announced that it’s taking down the monument in the wake of an investigative report that found the late coach and three other top Penn State administrators concealed sex abuse claims against retired assistant coach Jerry Sandusky.

The statue turned into a target for Paterno’s critics after former FBI Director Louis Freeh alleged a cover-up by Paterno and others that allowed Sandusky to continue molesting boys.

Police and construction workers have barricaded both sides of the street and the sidewalks near the statue.

A chain-link fence has been erected around the area and a tarp has been raised that conceals most of the statue.

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Penn State president issues statement related to Paterno statue


Statement by Penn State President Rodney Erickson related to Joe Paterno Statue


Since we learned of the Grand Jury presentment and the charges against Jerry Sandusky and University officials last November, members of the Penn State community and the public have been made much more acutely aware of the tragedy of child sexual abuse. Our thoughts and prayers continue to go out to those victims of Mr. Sandusky and all other victims of child abuse.

I assure you that Penn State will take a national leadership role in the detection and prevention of child maltreatment in the months and years ahead.
With the release of Judge Freeh's Report of the Special Investigative Counsel, we as a community have had to confront a failure of leadership at many levels. The statue of Joe Paterno outside Beaver Stadium has become a lightning rod of controversy and national debate, including the role of big time sports in university life.

The Freeh Report has given us a great deal to reflect upon and to consider, including Coach Paterno's legacy.
Throughout Penn State, the two most visible memorials to Coach Paterno are the statue at Beaver Stadium and the Paterno Library. The future of these two landmarks has been the topic of heated debate and many messages have been received in various University offices, including my own.

We have heard from numerous segments of the Penn State community and others, many of whom have differing opinions. These are particularly important decisions when considering things that memorialize such a revered figure.
I now believe that, contrary to its original intention, Coach Paterno's statue has become a source of division and an obstacle to healing in our University and beyond. For that reason, I have decided that it is in the best interest of our university and public safety to remove the statue and store it in a secure location.

I believe that, were it to remain, the statue will be a recurring wound to the multitude of individuals across the nation and beyond who have been the victims of child abuse.
On the other hand, the Paterno Library symbolizes the substantial and lasting contributions to the academic life and educational excellence that the Paterno family has made to Penn State University. The library remains a tribute to Joe and Sue Paterno's commitment to Penn State's student body and academic success, and it highlights the positive impacts Coach Paterno had on the University. Thus I feel strongly that the library's name should remain unchanged.

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I am watching it right now on ESPN Sportscenter. I really think this is the right thing to do for now.
 
Taking down the Joe Paterno statue is a typical knee-jerk reaction and, more shamefully, an attempt to vilify Paterno by redirecting blame since he cannot defend himself. Akin to when the Red Sox sold Babe Ruth to the Yankees, I think the PSU football just cursed themselves for the next 100 years. Hell, if were the Big Ten I would boot the scumbags out of the Big Ten Conference...no, not because of their football program but due to the University being run by a bunch of scumbag weasel yahoos.

Anyway, how do Penn State folks feel about the University taking down the JoPa statute (alumni, Seven Mountains area residence, lifelong fans)?
 
Why are you such a Paterno fan? He covered up an atrocity. The university has to look to the future, and having that status there means every time people walk past it, they will see a symbol of the scandal. If the university is ever to get beyond this, they need to move forward, and the statue is a small reminder they can easily make go away. And moreover, I suspect they see it as an easier compromise then suspending their football program. "Look we took down the statue."
 
I haven't been following this thread, so I might be talking about something that has already been covered, but there were movements to get rid of Paterno over the last two decades not because of ethics but because the alumni were concerned that he could no longer effectively recruit or coach. Many people were amenable to dumping Paterno because his administration of the program was perceived as too squeaky clean to enable it to compete for social misfits who were outstanding football prospects. Paterno is now deservedly being thrown under the bus but for the wrong reason. He is being thrown under the bus so other people who also don't give a damn about a University's integrity can absolve themselves of their own neglect, and who want to get the footbal program back on the track of making big football money.
 
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Just clicked on ESPN 2, statue has been removed looks like they had some security there as well, to be expected
 
Looks like sanctions delivered tomorrow "unprecedented" penalties being reported but not the NCAA death penalty, wonder if they will allow student transfers without sitting a year
 
Anyway, how do Penn State folks feel about the University taking down the JoPa statute (alumni, Seven Mountains area residence, lifelong fans)?

Being a Pitt fan I always hated Paterno and Penn State because of the rivalry, IMO the statue should come down just to keep people from getting in trouble trying to destroy it. The Penn State football team doesn't deserve to have sanctions against them, they didn't do anything wrong. My sister is a alumni of Penn State and she still defends Paterno.
 
For the people who think Penn State should get NCAA sanctions against them, the next time a coach gets a DUI or players get in criminal trouble will NCAA step in? The NCAA has now set a dangerous precedent for how and when it should penalize teams. If the rules and procedures can be superseded due to outrage factor why have them?
 
Taking down the Joe Paterno statue is a typical knee-jerk reaction and, more shamefully, an attempt to vilify Paterno by redirecting blame since he cannot defend himself. Akin to when the Red Sox sold Babe Ruth to the Yankees,
Anyway, how do Penn State folks feel about the University taking down the JoPa statute (alumni, Seven Mountains area residence, lifelong fans)?
I do NOT agree!! I would guess its best Paterno is not here, becuase more Guilty Truths would come out! I think they should Flatten that statue! These THINGS were supposed to be looking out for a chileds best intrest, and all they did was protect the sport and their image, regaurdless f what they did or allowed to happen. IF Paterno knew of this, why wasn't someone terminated from his staff.. Lets see was Paterno, Bribbed with money ??????, Was he Touching childrens D$%Ks ????? Yea I can almost bet you and all the other Paterno supporters would not want him alive. He was jus as much of a Dirty SON of a B!!!!
 
For the people who think Penn State should get NCAA sanctions against them, the next time a coach gets a DUI or players get in criminal trouble will NCAA step in? The NCAA has now set a dangerous precedent for how and when it should penalize teams. If the rules and procedures can be superseded due to outrage factor why have them?

If the University leadership covers up said DUI or criminal trouble, then yes.

Right or wrong, if they want that statue up, then move it inside the library. Leaving it outside the stadium, is just asking for trouble from visiting fans and vandals.
 
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