Cabling Question

Troch77

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Jason Sewing said:

Here is a drawing of what he has going on. Is it possible to hook up his receiver in garage without running a cable back to the splitter in the house or adding a 2nd dish on garage. If so, what does he need?

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No, not with that current setup.
You either need to run one from the splitter back, or move the splitter to near the dish closer to the Garage ,and run 3 new wires to your in house setup.

Or install a Legacy Lnb, and buy a Swm 8 switch , which would still require a lot more wiring.

The easiest, cheapest way is to Run a Single coax back to the garage.
Or install a 2nd dish, which will not integrate whole home to the garage receiver.

I would say you could try the 2 way splitter at the Garage,( But I wouldn't recommend doing such with a swm LNB before your PI. )
Just make sure it an approved Green label Swm splitter.
And make sure your Power pass is on the the correct port.
But I strongly suggest you don't do this!

 

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Useful information.Since it's only a four-way at the house, he can probably do it with a two way splitter at the garage, depending on the distance between the house and the garage - how far is it?

 

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Troch77 - there's probably no reason putting a splitter at the garage won't work, unless it's a long distance from the house to the garage.
Why would you think it would not work, it should be fine....

 

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I don't like splitting feed/power cables before the PI
There is no reason to do such.
200 feet of solid Copper core Directv label and approved 3G Hz cost Less than $40 on Ebay.

 

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Makes no sense. There's no magic about this, it's just physics. The splitter in the house is already splitting a "feed cable". A two-way connected to a four way has almost the same signal losses as an eight-way.

 

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It's splitting a Signal after the PI.
Sorry you will never convince me that a good correct install involves multiple splitters in the same feed.

 

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There's absolutely nothing wrong with using multiple splitters. You just need to make sure that the effective split on any one cable does not exceed eight. And the PI is irrelevant in all of this.
So a 2x in front of a 4x is OK.
A 2x in front of an 8x is not OK, although many people use it if the cable runs are not too long.
A 4x followed by a 2x in one of the cables is OK.
It's all about signal loss. People doing complex installs build signal loss calculations based on the LNB output, the cable type and lengths, the splitters and the receivers, to make sure the signal at any one receiver is above the required level.

 

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Jason,
1 question that could potentially solve this whole situation ....
Is there 1 coax from the Dish to the house, or maybe two already, thats something that hasn't been covered, yes you show a diagram but it could even be a dual molded if D* didn't run it ... don't think they do the molded coax lines at all anymore, but we don't k ow much about how or who did the install.

Really, all you need is 1 separate coax line from the house where the splitter is to the garage.

 

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I don't know why this is such a problem. Just get a two-way green label splitter, install it at the garage with the power passing port connected to the cable running back to the house, move the receiver to the garage and try it.

 

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Troch77 said:

It's splitting a Signal after the PI.
Sorry you will never convince me that a good correct install involves multiple splitters in the same feed.

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The PI voltage runs the line regardless of where its located, as long as it's not way to far there should be no issues.

I have a set up right now that has been working fine since I set it up.

 

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The PI is running now over the distance and that won't change...

 

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The PI voltage runs the line regardless of where its located, as long as it's not way to far there should be no issues.

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Go back and re-read what I posted on #13. All the OP needs to do is run the line from the dish into the garage and place a 2-way splitter and the SWiM. From the 2-way, they connect the line that goes to the house, that was previously attached at the LNB. RG-6 they can get away with 200' from dish to house. RG-11, they can get up to aprox. 300'.

The only problem I see, is having to ground at the garage, and ending up with a ground loop at the house, because they would have to ground it at the static block. That is why I was thinking to do with the HDMI with IR. He can then use Flooded Cat-6 from the house to the Garage and also would get Networking out there. They will need a Lightning protector at the house and the Garage. But it is the best way to go for the long-haul.

 

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Broe67 said:

Go back and re-read what I posted on #13. All the OP needs to do is run the line from the dish into the garage and place a 2-way splitter and the SWiM. From the 2-way, they connect the line that goes to the house, that was previously attached at the LNB. RG-6 they can get away with 200' from dish to house. RG-11, they can get up to aprox. 300'.

The only problem I see, is having to ground at the garage, and ending up with a ground loop at the house, because they would have to ground it at the static block. That is why I was thinking to do with the HDMI with IR. He can then use Flooded Cat-6 from the house to the Garage and also would get Networking out there. They will need a Lightning protector at the house and the Garage. But it is the best way to go for the long-haul.

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Isn't that what I suggested awhile back, placing the splitter at the dish ?

Anyways, adding the Cat cable would be nice but the guy said he's not able to run a new line from the dish to the house.
He's trying to use just the existing cabling.

I have a set up like we're talking about working fine with the splitter at the dish and the PI at one end...

After re looking at your set up in post 15, I see what your thinking about but the way I read it, you wanted to run that on the coax ... there is no way to connect that set up to coax that I can see.

 

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As I said, I don't know why everyone is making this so complicated. Just split at the dish, connect the existing cable to the power passing port and a receiver to the other port and that's all you need to do. The grounding won't change.

 

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