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Most households probably aren't watching more than a couple of OTA-sourced programs at once. Surely there are large families that depend largely on OTA that this product wouldn't be a good fit for but for many households, two streams is probably good enough.

To the point I think you were trying to make, it is perhaps misleading that the device has four tuners but can only stream two but it is no less misleading that something like the HR54 (that can't display a UHD stream on its own) can only stream one UHD program at a time yet AT&T will offer you multiple UHD clients.

The TiVo Bolt+ offers six tuners but it will only stream two sessions. The other streaming TiVos can only stream two cable programs.

Bad design shouldn't be transcoding to watch locally. Hdhomerun can record or stream on all tuners and playback on Fire devices. Makes no sense to record Mpeg 2 locally than force transcoding.
 
Bad design shouldn't be transcoding to watch locally.
Bad design is anything that doesn't allow the user to choose between the way something came and what ended up being transcoded. Both have their applications but you can't get the unadulterated source back if everything is transcoded.
Hdhomerun can record or stream on all tuners and playback on Fire devices.
I dispute your repeated assertion that all streaming devices must logically be Fire TV devices. Apparently you need to be reminded that HDHomeruns (even the transcoding model) don't support Roku devices without third party hardware and software. I would also remind you that the HDHomerun Extend (the aforementioned transcoding model) is currently only available as a two-tuner configuration so there's probably something to this two-stream limitation that we keep seeing.
Makes no sense to record Mpeg 2 locally than force transcoding.
Again, it should be the user's choice. Real-time transcoding is never ideal and something more deliberate (though certainly able to be performed automatically) usually gives better results in terms of net storage savings and picture quality (at the user's discretion). Applying lossy compression multiple times is never a good thing.
 
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Bad design is anything that doesn't allow the user to choose between the way something came and what ended up being transcoded. Both have their applications but you can't get the unadulterated source back if everything is transcoded.I dispute your repeated assertion that all streaming devices must logically be Fire TV devices. Apparently you need to be reminded that HDHomeruns (even the transcoding model) don't support Roku devices without third party hardware and software. I would also remind you that the HDHomerun Extend (the aforementioned transcoding model) is currently only available as a two-tuner configuration so there's probably something to this two-stream limitation that we keep seeing.Again, it should be the user's choice. Real-time transcoding is never ideal and something more deliberate (though certainly able to be performed automatically) usually gives better results in terms of net storage savings and picture quality (at the user's discretion). Applying lossy compression multiple times is never a good thing.

How many times are you going to bring up Roku, when I NEVER mention it. Every response you give is what I am asserting or assuming. Please respond to the words that I actually post. Bring actual facts to the conversation other than "probably" The bottom line is people are not going to be happy with a 4 tuner model, when only 2 at a time can be watched.
 
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How many times are you going to bring up Roku, when I NEVER mention it. Every response you give is what I am asserting or assuming.
When you ignore a decidedly significant portion of the population, you're likely to get some pushback.
Please respond to the words that I actually post. Bring actual facts to the conversation other than "probably" The bottom line is people are not going to be happy with a 4 tuner model, when only 2 at a time can be watched.
I did respond to the words you posted and reminded you that your be-all-and-end-all solution completely ignores the Roku population (there are more Roku-based televisions out there than FireTV-based TVs you know).

You're all over the two encoder limit of the Amazon box but you fail to cite an alternative that supports more than two MPEG2 sources so it is reasonable to posit that there's a practical limitation. I offered examples to support that two may indeed be the state-of-the-art.
 
When you ignore a decidedly significant portion of the population, you're likely to get some pushback.I did respond to the words you posted and reminded you that your be-all-and-end-all solution completely ignores the Roku population (there are more Roku-based televisions out there than FireTV-based TVs you know).

You're all over the two encoder limit of the Amazon box but you fail to cite an alternative that supports more than two MPEG2 sources so it is reasonable to posit that there's a practical limitation. I offered examples to support that two may indeed be the state-of-the-art.

Please refer me to where The New Amazon DVR supports Roku. I am comparing Hdhomerun with The Amazon DVR on Fire Devices ONLY. Please stay on subject.
 
Please refer me to where The New Amazon DVR supports Roku. I am comparing Hdhomerun with The Amazon DVR on Fire Devices ONLY. Please stay on subject.
The subject is the Amazon Recast. That you choose to infuse the discussion with a comparison to the HDHomerun family (without specifying which model) doesn't make it on topic and most definitely presents a moving target as a result of your lack of specificity.

In fact, there are perhaps more differences between the Recast and the HDHomerun family (including the DVR product) than there are similarities but you've largely ignored them.
 
CCN notes that EHD support will not be available at launch. This seems to be epidemic among these devices. The CCN article also claimed 150 hours recording capacity versus what I'd originally read as 75 hours.

Between all the blogs and the alpha tester's reports, I don't think we have a very clear picture yet.
 
The subject is the Amazon Recast. That you choose to infuse the discussion with a comparison to the HDHomerun family (without specifying which model) doesn't make it on topic and most definitely presents a moving target as a result of your lack of specificity.

In fact, there are perhaps more differences between the Recast and the HDHomerun family (including the DVR product) than there are similarities but you've largely ignored them.

Which Hdhomerun models am I ignoring specifically. The cable version, which the end user knows would not work. Older legacy models?. Please try to understand, the whole point of my post was to bring out the DIFFERENCES between to two. The main being the number of simultaneous streams. Again please stay on point. I am making very simple observations.
 
CCN notes that EHD support will not be available at launch. This seems to be epidemic among these devices. The CCN article also claimed 150 hours recording capacity versus what I'd originally read as 75 hours.

Between all the blogs and the alpha tester's reports, I don't think we have a very clear picture yet.
Well if you are set on getting your information from CCN, than we shouldn't really take anything as fact
 
Well if you are set on getting your information from CCN, than we shouldn't really take anything as fact
That goes exactly to my point. Thus far, most of the technical details have been blog posts and claims of downright awesomeness from AT&T employees.

You either have to wait or speculate and waiting does far less damage in cases like this.
 
Please try to understand, the whole point of my post was to bring out the DIFFERENCES between to two.
That's only valid if the thing that you're comparing against is the industry standard. Not everyone has bit into the SiliconDust (or FireTV) cake.

If the Amazon Recast has shortcomings, it isn't necessary (or even helpful) to drag a third party product into the discussion to illustrate them.
 
Which Hdhomerun models am I ignoring specifically.
It isn't that you're ignoring the HDHomerun family, it is that you're comparing the Recast to an undeclared member (or multiple members in combination) of that family.
Please try to understand, the whole point of my post was to bring out the DIFFERENCES between to two. The main being the number of simultaneous streams.
The Recast is a DVR. DVRs were developed around the concept of time shifting and that's something that the HDHomerun devices can be part of but it is not something they can do without considerable third party help. It is sort of like comparing a riding mower with a farm tractor and saying that the mower wins because you can fit more of them on your lawn.

Calling out the Recast as being limited versus a device that can't do what it does is simply not logical.
 
Comparing the Recast to HDHR is understandable given the popularity of HDHR devices however a more comparable product to the Amazon Recast is TabloTV.
 
Comparing the Recast to HDHR is understandable given the popularity of HDHR devices however a more comparable product to the Amazon Recast is TabloTV.
Comparing one device to an entire product line isn't a fair and balanced comparison. As popular as the SiliconDust products are, most don't view the OTA world in terms of their product offerings.

The TabloTV (and perhaps an OTA TiVo) is a much more fitting comparison because you can easily identify what you're comparing against.
 

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