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Does bonded pairs basically mean they use two pairs of lines coming to the premises, just like it sounds, for a total of four wires rather than just the old ‘tip and ring?’

At least two pairs. Frontier used to supply modems that were capable of bonding up to 4 pairs, although I am not sure if they ever offered a product that needed all four pairs.
 
But DirecTV is AT&T
Yes, but in no way meant to be sarcastic, what's your point? Word on the street is Directv days are numbered as this thread is about and At&t now is starting another streaming service. Seems like that's their long term goal.
 
Does bonded pairs basically mean they use two pairs of lines coming to the premises, just like it sounds, for a total of four wires rather than just the old ‘tip and ring?’

Yes, they use two phone lines. In the past they pretty much always ran two lines from the street/pole to the house, sometimes as many as four, and all the phone lines in the house run at least two pairs so it doesn't cost them any extra (really old houses might have three wires, with the two lines sharing ring, that wouldn't work for bonded pair DSL)

Might as well use all that copper that's otherwise unused due to people dropping POTS.
 
Yes, they use two phone lines. In the past they pretty much always ran two lines from the street/pole to the house, sometimes as many as four, and all the phone lines in the house run at least two pairs so it doesn't cost them any extra (really old houses might have three wires, with the two lines sharing ring, that wouldn't work for bonded pair DSL)

Might as well use all that copper that's otherwise unused due to people dropping POTS.
We are currently back to 2 pr lines from the pole to the house, for awhile they went to 3 pr ... not really needed at this point .... when I started, it was single pr to the house, but then there was No Internet and cell phones were just getting started.

When we run internet, we are required to run a home run whenever possible, which is 4 pr Cat 5/6 (sometimes we use 6 pr iw).

I just installed one on 2 pr (probably cat3 and had all kinds of issues with it) it was the only option in the apt complex.
 
The Ethernet cable makes a difference in my opinion. For awhile I had 1gb fiber with a coop called ATMC but downgraded to 400 as I only got a little above that on the 1gb tier. Tech said a Win 10 machine could not do 1gb. Anyway, on their 400 tier I only saw about 350 down. Swapped in Cat7 cable and routinely got above 390. So I think Ethernet cable rating and quality makes a big difference.

On AT&T 1gb now and am getting at least 950 on the router side of their gateway. So much for Win 10 not handling gb speeds. Only getting about 550 up but that is enough. Too many variables, too much overhead, and to little brain to figure that all out.
 
The Ethernet cable makes a difference in my opinion. For awhile I had 1gb fiber with a coop called ATMC but downgraded to 400 as I only got a little above that on the 1gb tier. Tech said a Win 10 machine could not do 1gb. Anyway, on their 400 tier I only saw about 350 down. Swapped in Cat7 cable and routinely got above 390. So I think Ethernet cable rating and quality makes a big difference.

On AT&T 1gb now and am getting at least 950 on the router side of their gateway. So much for Win 10 not handling gb speeds. Only getting about 550 up but that is enough. Too many variables, too much overhead, and to little brain to figure that all out.
I'm just curious, what does that 1GB service cost ?
 
The Ethernet cable makes a difference in my opinion. For awhile I had 1gb fiber with a coop called ATMC but downgraded to 400 as I only got a little above that on the 1gb tier. Tech said a Win 10 machine could not do 1gb. Anyway, on their 400 tier I only saw about 350 down. Swapped in Cat7 cable and routinely got above 390. So I think Ethernet cable rating and quality makes a big difference.

On AT&T 1gb now and am getting at least 950 on the router side of their gateway. So much for Win 10 not handling gb speeds. Only getting about 550 up but that is enough. Too many variables, too much overhead, and to little brain to figure that all out.

I had to read that a few times to make sure I had it correct. What kind of idiot would even think Windows 10 can’t support gigabit speeds? Who makes this stuff up? People who say crap like that should be canned, because people will repeat that bad information. If WIN10 can’t support gig, then what can? I transfer terabytes of data every week across our LAN at work between NAS units and NT 6.1 (WIN7/WS08R2) devices with transfer rates of 110 -115 MBps or 880 - 920 Mbps. Hardly any CAT 6 cabling in the building, mostly all CAT5e with switches connected via a fiber uplink.

If you have a 10/100 NIC on a Windows 10 machine, that would prevent you from getting gigabit speeds obviously. Or if you have any 10/100 hardware in-between end user devices that will do it as well. But Windows 10 has no problem with gig speeds, LAN or WAN.


Discussion of CAT7 can turn into a religious debate. It’s a standard, but not a widely recognized standard. I have no problem getting near gigabit LAN speeds out of 200’+ runs of CAT 5e. Whatever ones view on CAT7 is, I highly doubt that was the reason for your improved speeds. Whatever your previous cable was might have been bad. Especially when it comes to shorter runs, with gigabit it doesn’t matter if it’s CAT5e or CAT8. If in need of longer runs that support 10GigE are needed then going above CAT6 makes sense, unless you want to go 100% fiber. And prices are going down. I think I’ve seen an Intel SFP+ NIC for 10GigE for $150 on NewEgg.
 
I'm just curious, what does that 1GB service cost ?

Well, I haven't seen a bill yet which may be full of gotchas. The Internet is priced at $90 discounted to $80 if bundled with cell and TV (Uverse, Now, or Sat) plus $15/mo off my cell bill as a veteran. So effectively it's $65/mo.
 
I had to read that a few times to make sure I had it correct. What kind of idiot would even think Windows 10 can’t support gigabit speeds? Who makes this stuff up? People who say crap like that should be canned, because people will repeat that bad information. If WIN10 can’t support gig, then what can? I transfer terabytes of data every week across our LAN at work between NAS units and NT 6.1 (WIN7/WS08R2) devices with transfer rates of 110 -115 MBps or 880 - 920 Mbps. Hardly any CAT 6 cabling in the building, mostly all CAT5e with switches connected via a fiber uplink.

If you have a 10/100 NIC on a Windows 10 machine, that would prevent you from getting gigabit speeds obviously. Or if you have any 10/100 hardware in-between end user devices that will do it as well. But Windows 10 has no problem with gig speeds, LAN or WAN.


Discussion of CAT7 can turn into a religious debate. It’s a standard, but not a widely recognized standard. I have no problem getting near gigabit LAN speeds out of 200’+ runs of CAT 5e. Whatever ones view on CAT7 is, I highly doubt that was the reason for your improved speeds. Whatever your previous cable was might have been bad. Especially when it comes to shorter runs, with gigabit it doesn’t matter if it’s CAT5e or CAT8. If in need of longer runs that support 10GigE are needed then going above CAT6 makes sense, unless you want to go 100% fiber. And prices are going down. I think I’ve seen an Intel SFP+ NIC for 10GigE for $150 on NewEgg.
 
I'm just curious, what does that 1GB service cost ?

Our electric co-op has it here for $79.99 per month, no data caps, 1Gbps/1Gbps.

Hopefully, I’ll have it installed here by Christmas, the network engineer has told me he’s working toward that goal.

Right now, I pay CenturyLink $91 per month for 4.0Mbps/512Kbps DSL, and a POTS line.

This new service will be $80 for the fiber internet, and $30 for the VOIP phone service, so for roughly $20 more per month, for internet service that is 250 times faster.

I think I have saw ads where AT&T Fiber is $79.99 or $89.99 in metro Birmingham where a few cities have it.
 
I pay 75 for Centurylink Gigabit. I have seen it as high as 85. Ours is 1gig up / 1gig down with no cap.

You can see how CTL screws rural customers. That $91 is with $40 worth of discounts I have to call in to get every year. Or had to, I’ll be with the Cooperative’s fiber service by the time I would have to call next year.
 
I’m just waiting for T-Mobile to rollout 5G first and start their video service, I like the direction their company is taking under John Legere.

Right now I have DirecTV and att wireless. Which saves me a bunch.

Don’t hold your breath 5G is not what people think. Maybe if you live in a super dense area and are within 500ft to 2000ft of a small cell sure you can get faster speeds. But on sub MM wave spectrum 5GNR is only 15% faster.

Att says 500ft range lol
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I agree John is the man.
 
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