Rumored DTV Over IP Prices Plus Two New DTV Now Packages

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So Directv isn’t just releasing an App you can download on an Apple TV/Roku etc for Dtv over Ip, they’re making you get a little box?

Damn. Why not just release an App like they did for directv now?


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So Directv isn’t just releasing an App you can download on an Apple TV/Roku etc for Dtv over Ip, they’re making you get a little box?

Damn. Why not just release an App like they did for directv now?


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The UI will be much like the Sat service and probably have more features. This is NOT possible with a Roku. The advantage of the Android TV platform is that it allows a fair amount of customization so that any service can re-create the high-end experience or virtually same UI that DirecTV currently uses.
 
There is something wrong with that article. The Osprey box has been in public testing for months now. The article reads like it was leaked by employees
 
https://seekingalpha.com/article/42...net-telecom-conference-transcript?part=single

Additionally we need to drive cost out of that process. The biggest cost we have it that is so to speak, the truck role and getting that installation out. We've been beta testing within our employee base and we've got a lot of employees to test with a thing called Osprey, which is a self-installed, full linear product. You don't have to roll the truck, pull out a ladder, climb the roof and put out a satellite dish. You can hook this box in to your fiber line, your broadband line and whether it's ours or somebody else's, so effectively the only truck roll is the UPS truck.
 
https://seekingalpha.com/article/42...net-telecom-conference-transcript?part=single

Additionally we need to drive cost out of that process. The biggest cost we have it that is so to speak, the truck role and getting that installation out. We've been beta testing within our employee base and we've got a lot of employees to test with a thing called Osprey, which is a self-installed, full linear product. You don't have to roll the truck, pull out a ladder, climb the roof and put out a satellite dish. You can hook this box in to your fiber line, your broadband line and whether it's ours or somebody else's, so effectively the only truck roll is the UPS truck.
Again This isnt new information. They said the same thing 6 months ago.. And they have been Beta Testing the Osprey box with Directnow users for 4 months
 
Interesting pricing, though not surprising to me. I've said all along that streaming prices of cable/sat replacement services would be nearly the same as cable/sat pricing. But it turns out I'm only about 1/2 right! Currently the TV portion of my cable bundle is $77/month with all fees and taxes included. That's for all their channels including the 4 Premiums. Yes, I'm currently in a promo multi-year deal, but even at full retail the cost will be cheaper than the ATT deal for Ultimate which only has 1 Premium channel in it and that is Starz. No HBO, Cinemax or Showtime. IMO, not a good deal at all!
 
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This whole thing they started today with the regular DTV packages -- Entertainment, Choice, Xtra, etc. -- being offered over streaming via DTV Now is just WEIRD. We've all expected a streaming version of "full DTV" for awhile now but no one thought it would be like this. In fact, I can't believe that this is really it yet.

Think about it: the streaming version of DTV was supposed to be tied to the C71 Osprey box. And, because of its lower customer acquisition costs, it was supposed to be priced a little less than the satellite version. (Those are not my ideas or random internet rumors, they come from repeated statements by C-level AT&T officers.) But neither of those things is true. In fact, these new streaming packages with names that mimic the DTV satellite packages are actually a worse value given that they are reportedly missing some of the channels from the satellite version, they apparently only come with 20 hours of cloud DVR as opposed to a Genie with 300 hrs, and they likely don't offer any sort of new subscriber contract discount or bundling discount for inclusion with other AT&T services.

Also, look at how these new packages are presented. They're nowhere to be found on the main DirecTVNow.com website. They're not touted in the press releases that AT&T just put out. To find these packages, you have to start the sign-up process for DTVN (with the apparent intention of getting either of their two new main packages, Plus or Max) and then notice and click on a little "See more packages" link. It's almost like they're trying to hide it! Also, there's nothing new that I can see on the DirecTV.com (satellite) website notifying potential subscribers that they can get the "same packages" via streaming now.

To put it bluntly: there's no way in hell that THIS kind of effort is going to convert even a tiny amount of current or potential DTV customers from satellite to internet-based delivery. And it's been reported from various sources, almost since AT&T's acquisition of DTV, that that's their long-term goal.

So what do we make of this move? Maybe it's just some sort of temporary experiment that they're doing, to see how many folks will choose to sign up for those fuller channel packages at those prices via streaming? Maybe yet to come is an entirely new "AT&T TV" service -- essentially on the same level as DTV and U-verse TV, but with different channel packages, slightly lower pricing, and the C71 Osprey box. And THAT will be their new flagship MVPD, to which they hope to transition the bulk of their subscribers in the next few years. Because clearly, nothing about any of the changes we've seen today with DTVN are going to achieve that.
 
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The UI will be much like the Sat service and probably have more features. This is NOT possible with a Roku. The advantage of the Android TV platform is that it allows a fair amount of customization so that any service can re-create the high-end experience or virtually same UI that DirecTV currently uses.

Of course it is possible with a Roku. The problem is they'd have to maintain an app for Android TV, Roku, Apple TV, and Amazon Fire - at minimum - which is 4x the work. What's worse is that maintaining the app for all four platforms means they have to worry about all the possible hardware permutations...just look at how many different models of Roku there have been, and all the different TVs that have Roku/Fire/Android built in. They won't support them all but they need to support at least those sold in the last few years, so it ends up much worse than 4x the work. Not saying it can't be done, but if you are trying to cut costs, supporting the myriad of set top boxes out there versus one box today and never more than a handful at once ever is an easy choice.

Plus if Directv uses their own equipment they can better insure security of the content by having full control over the signal end to end, which puts it in a different category contractually than OTT streaming using a customer's equipment.
 
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This whole thing they started today with the regular DTV packages -- Entertainment, Choice, Xtra, etc. -- being offered over streaming via DTV Now is just WEIRD. We've all expected a streaming version of "full DTV" for awhile now but no one thought it would be like this. In fact, I can't believe that this is really it yet.

Think about it: the streaming version of DTV was supposed to be tied to the C71 Osprey box. And, because of its lower customer acquisition costs, it was supposed to be priced a little less than the satellite version. (Those are not my ideas or random internet rumors, they come from repeated statements by C-level AT&T officers.) But neither of those things is true. In fact, these new streaming packages with names that mimic the DTV satellite packages are actually a worse value given that they are reportedly missing some of the channels from the satellite version, they apparently only come with 20 hours of cloud DVR as opposed to a Genie with 300 hrs, and they likely don't offer any sort of new subscriber contract discount or bundling discount for inclusion with other AT&T services.

Also, look at how these new packages are presented. They're nowhere to be found on the main DirecTVNow.com website. They're not touted in the press releases that AT&T just put out. To find these packages, you have to start the sign-up process for DTVN (with the apparent intention of getting either of their two new main packages, Plus or Max) and then notice and click on a little "See more packages" link. It's almost like they're trying to hide it! Also, there's nothing new that I can see on the DirecTV.com (satellite) website notifying potential subscribers that they can get the "same packages" via streaming now.

To put it bluntly: there's no way in hell that THIS kind of effort is going to convert even a tiny amount of current or potential DTV customers from satellite to internet-based delivery. And it's been reported from various sources, almost since AT&T's acquisition of DTV, that that's their long-term goal.

So what do we make of this move? Maybe it's just some sort of temporary experiment that they're doing, to see how many folks will choose to sign up for those fuller channel packages at those prices via streaming? Maybe yet to come is an entirely new "AT&T TV" service -- essentially on the same level as DTV and U-verse TV, but with different channel packages, slightly lower pricing, and the C71 Osprey box. And THAT will be their new flagship MVPD, to which they hope to transition the bulk of their subscribers in the next few years. Because clearly, nothing about any of the changes we've seen today with DTVN are going to achieve that.
What DTV over IP is the exact same experience that is on DTV over SatelliteTV? Could they just be using the DTV Now interface as a testbed but they are really going to use the same new interface that DTV over SatelliteTV just got? Could the using the same pricing as DTV over SatelliteTV be ok if it was the same exact experience as DTV over SatelliteTV? You got all the same features that DTV over SatelliteTV has including same PQ and sound quality even 4k? Imagine being able to get 4k on DTV over IP without the dish? What if the C71KW is a triple play box? It could do DTV over SatelliteTV, IP and DTV Now? Then the only question would be would they still charge you $7 per HD stream and the $15 Advanced Receiver Fee. Or could you just buy the C71KW? I think I remember a rumor I saw on Reddit that the C71KW box would be $50. I could be wrong on that. Could their also be two separate boxes they are beta testing? One for DTV Now and one for DTV over IP?
 
What DTV over IP is the exact same experience that is on DTV over SatelliteTV? Could they just be using the DTV Now interface as a testbed but they are really going to use the same new interface that DTV over SatelliteTV just got? Could the using the same pricing as DTV over SatelliteTV be ok if it was the same exact experience as DTV over SatelliteTV? You got all the same features that DTV over SatelliteTV has including same PQ and sound quality even 4k? Imagine being able to get 4k on DTV over IP without the dish? What if the C71KW is a triple play box? It could do DTV over SatelliteTV, IP and DTV Now? Then the only question would be would they still charge you $7 per HD stream and the $15 Advanced Receiver Fee. Or could you just buy the C71KW? I think I remember a rumor I saw on Reddit that the C71KW box would be $50. I could be wrong on that. Could their also be two separate boxes they are beta testing? One for DTV Now and one for DTV over IP?
You already know the C71kW isnt a triple play box.. It doesnt have a coax input... What if Comcast launches 15 Satellites tomorrow to to free up bandwidth on there coax I mean come on a little here There isnt a seperate box.. We would have seen a FCC Document on it
 
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You already know the C71kW isnt a triple play box.. It doesnt have a coax input... What if Comcast launches 15 Satellites tomorrow to to free up bandwidth on there coax I mean come on a little here There isnt a seperate box.. We would have seen a FCC Document on it
What if the C71KW is a 4k wireless box to work with DTV over SatelliteTV? They never had a C61KW. This could be the last 4k wireless box they make before they start phasing out DTV over SatelliteTV.
 
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What if the C71KW is a 4k wireless box to work with DTV over SatelliteTV? They never had a C61KW. This could be the last 4k wireless box they make before they start phasing out DTV over SatelliteTV.
And what Genie is this exactly supposed to work with? Bear in Mind the HS27 DOES NOT EXIST

The C71KW is doing already EXACTLY like they intended. It is a Android STB that currently runs the Directvnow which now include packages that mirror Directv Sat packages.. It has no interaction with the SAT system
 
And what Genie is this exactly supposed to work with? Bear in Mind the HS27 DOES NOT EXIST

The C71KW is doing already EXACTLY like they intended. It is a Android STB that currently runs the Directvnow which now include packages that mirror Directv Sat packages.. It has no interaction with the SAT system
I was basing it on what DishSubLA saying in his previous post that the UI would be much like the DTV over SatelliteTV version and have more features than DTV Now.
 
I was basing it on what DishSubLA saying in his previous post that the UI would be much like the DTV over SatelliteTV version.
The UI right now is the Directvnow app For all we know that isnt changing
 
According to past comments from AT&T leaders, the new UI that currently exists in the DTV Now app, and is also being used in the beta-test C71 Osprey box, is the UI that AT&T is moving toward for all their services. For instance, it's what's also used in the Watch TV app. It's supposed to get implemented in the DTV mobile app (for out-of-home viewing by satellite subscribers) if it hasn't already been. And AT&T said that it would even eventually be used on their satellite TV boxes. The way I expect that will happen is that the C71 box will pull double-duty, being used both with a streaming TV service and also serving as the next-generation Genie Mini. (Note the model number, C71, suggests that it's the next version of the current C61 Genie Mini.)
 
According to past comments from AT&T leaders, the new UI that currently exists in the DTV Now app, and is also being used in the beta-test C71 Osprey box, is the UI that AT&T is moving toward for all their services. For instance, it's what's also used in the Watch TV app. It's supposed to get implemented in the DTV mobile app (for out-of-home viewing by satellite subscribers) if it hasn't already been. And AT&T said that it would even eventually be used on their satellite TV boxes. The way I expect that will happen is that the C71 box will pull double-duty, being used both with a streaming TV service and also serving as the next-generation Genie Mini. (Note the model number, C71, suggests that it's the next version of the current C61 Genie Mini.)
So is what you are saying is the C71KW would be for both DTV over SatelliteTV, DTV over IP and DTV Now and it would use both the new DTV over SatelliteTV interface and the DTV Now interface for DTV over IP and DTV Now?
 
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