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There is no doubt that E*'s hardware is better. MUCH BETTER. But (sounding like a broken record), PQ is not even close if you have a very large TV.

When I left E* about a year ago (last July 29th, to be exact) the PQ had gone down significantly. D* HD channels were significantly more vibrant, the picture really popped. I have a few friends with E* and large TV's like mine, and all of them notice the PQ difference between the E* and D*. D*...

I don't know what you have been watching. D* is SIGNIFICANTLY better than E* in terms of PQ. Granted, I have a 110" screen, but the noise on the E* HD channels pushed me to D*. I have yet to see any of the issues on D* that I saw every day on E*.

I compared the MPEG4 to MPEG4 channels. For example, ESPN2HD to ESPN2HD. Also most of the others channels that at the time had been released in MPEG4.

I still cannot believe people say this. On my 110" screen it isn't even close. Even on my 32" HDTV it isn't close. Granted, it has been 5 months since I had both side by side to compare, but I find it hard to believe Dish has fixed anything in that time frame. ESPN/2HD looks bad on both...

But for how long until the security is broken again?

It is my understanding that the uplink facility for both companies were updated (or is in the process at this moment) to use the ATSC signals of each channels rather than the NTSC signals.

This was mentioned when someone threw a fit about Telemundo not being on for everyone a few weeks back. Not sure where you were, ehren.

Exactly. Marketing at its best I guess...

I find it hard to believe they have modified anything to do with resolution and bitrate, the two biggest components to getting better HD PQ.

There is a guy on 700WLW who does the news named Bryant Combs.

Bryant, you don't happen to live and work in the Cincinnati area, would you? ;)

On a side note, I just switch to D* last week. It was a hard choice for me because I like E*'s hardware and their new HD additions. Without the new additions it would have been an easy decision, instead I debated it for days over what to do. In the end D* won because of their sports, the fact...

Look at the numbers over the last year... D* has been adding people like crazy, Dish has been adding very few new people. That was even with Voom! Voom was also removed in the 2nd month of the last quarter, not 1st. Even FitzAusTex doesn't believe Voom had little to do with Dish's drop of...

:rolleyes: I find it hard to believe that any significant number of people left Dish due to Voom being removed. I'd say it is more likely due to DirecTV's HD and advertising push.

The last 14 are a joke. The part time HD RSNs are a stretch, same with the HD PPV channels. Either way, good to see more HD.

1. D* said 130 HD channels by August 14th, not the end of the year. 2. D* counts all their RSNs in that number, but they will all be full time (of course, limited HD programming). 3. Both companies would have higher numbers if they counted non-"national" HD, as in HD channels you couldn't...

Seems as though the marketing point will be short lived, if there really is much of one to begin with. D* announced earlier this week that it was going to be doing the same thing.

I understand, Islandguy. But your statement basically said Dish wouldn't show it to you on TBS where they had no option. Obviously they don't have YES, you knew they didn't have YES when you ordered Dish, so complaining about it now doesn't make any sense.

Islandguy, you can't blame Dish for that. It is part of the Major League Baseball blackout rules. I assure you that Dish would love to be able to show you the game on TBS.

I'm thinking the same thing... from everything Scott has told us about how filled the main satellites are (61.5, 129, 119, 110) I'm confused as to where room for this many more HD channels are coming from. I'm also confused as to where they suddenly came up with 114 channels of HD beginning...

AEP/Premiere - basically the same package Cost for the Premiere after all costs is about $5 cheaper than the same package I had with Dish.

My D* is cheaper than the same package I have with E*... so I wouldn't be so quick to state that Dish is cheaper.

Wow, I've had mine go out for short periods of time, but I've never had it go out for that long. I wonder if your dish is out of alignment.

I've been debating moving over, but look around for the moment there is nothing that makes me want to switch. I love my 622 and I need OTA inputs for local HD on either service, paying the extra to get the add on to D* just seems dumb to me. I'll stick around and see what happens come February...