110 transponder usage as of 6/11/06

[TNGTony]

I posted this on the other board yesterday in response to the question: Are they done transferring things to 110?.

I thought folks over here may find it interesting. BTW, the short answer is NO. There's still a ton of room up there (mostly on spot beams)
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Transponder usage on 110 as of this moment:

This is a quick look, I did not analize too much so there may be some errors.

Tp 1 - 17 channels (13 + 4 mirrors)
Tp 2 - 13 channels (8 + 3 mirror + 2 "slates")
Tp 3 - 17 channels (14 + 3 mirrors) Is this right? Wow! Mostly PI & shopping channels
Tp 5 - 15 channels (13 + 2 mirrors)
Tp 6 - 17 channels (11 + 3 mirror + 3 Data(?))
Tp 7 - 2 HD channels
Tp 8 - 12 channels (8 PPV + 2 mirrors + 2 Interactive Data)
Tp 9 - 13 channels (12 + 1 mirror)
Tp 10 - 27 channels (13 + 7 Mirrors + 1 slate + 6 Data/Slate)
Tp 11 - 17 channels (13 + 4 Mirrors)
Tp 13 - 7 HD Channels (4 + 3 Mirrors/renamed)
Tp 14 - 14 channels (12 + 2 mirrors)
Tp 15 - 17 channels (12 + 3 mirrors + 2 Data)
Tp 16 - 15 channels (13 + 3 mirrors)
Tp 17 - 3 HD channels
Tp 19 - 9 channels
Tp 21 - 13 channels (8 + 4 mirrors + 44 hour EPG)
Tp 22 - 9 channels (8 + 1 9 day EPG) (Denver and Chicago Nets)
Tp 24 - 16 (Sports alternate channels and mirrors. The number changes constantly)

Spot Beams

Tp 4 Spot 1 - 8 channels
Tp 4 spot 2 - 11 channels
Tp 4 spot 4 - 18 channels (12 + 6 mirrors)
Tp 4 spot 7 - 7 channels
Tp 4 spot 10 - 14 channels (13 + 1 mirror)
Tp 4 spot 16 - 4 HD Channels (Houston)
Tp 4 spot 18 - 13 channels
Tp 4 spot 20 - 11 channels
Tp 4 spot 28 - 10 channels
Tp 4 spot 30 - 5 channels
Tp 4 spot 38 - 12 channels
Tp 4 spot 45 - 4 HD channels (Seattle)

TP 12 Spot 1 - 4 HD (Miami)
Tp 12 Spot 4 - 14 channels (13 + 1 mirror)
Tp 12 spot 7 - 8 channels (room for 4)
TP 12 Spot 10 - 7 channels (room for 5)
TP 12 Spot 13 - 12 channels
TP 12 Spot 16 - 5 channels (room for 7)
Tp 12 spot 20 - 12 channels
Tp 12 spot 28 - 6 channels (room for 6)
Tp 12 spot 30 - 10 channels + 1 mirror (room for 2)
Tp 12 spot 38 - 9 channels (room for 3)
Tp 12 spot 45 - 7 channels (room for 5)

Tp 18 spot 4 - 13 channels (12 + 1 mirror)
Tp 18 spot 6 - 13 channels
Tp 18 spot 13 - 14 channels (12 + 2 mirros)
Tp 18 spot 15 - 9 channels (room for 3)
Tp 18 spot 24 - 7 channels (room for 5)
Tp 18 spot 35 - 4 HD channels (Phoenix)
Tp 18 spot 40 - 10 channels (room for 2)
Tp 18 spot 43 - 4 HD channels (Sacramento)

Tp 20 spot 4 - 12 channels
Tp 20 spot 6 - 11 channels
Tp 20 spot 13 - 10 channels (room for 2)
Tp 20 spot 14 - 7 channels (room for 5)
Tp 20 spot 21 - 12 channels
Tp 20 spot 24 - 15 channels (13 + 2 mirrors)
Tp 20 spot 40 - 4 HD channels (Spokane)
Tp 20 spot 43 - 12 channels

Tp 23 spot 3 - 11 channels
Tp 23 spot 5 - 7 channels
Tp 23 spot 8 - 13 channels
Tp 23 spot 10 - 13 channels
Tp 23 spot 12 - 10 channels
Tp 23 spot 20 - 7 channels
Tp 23 spot 22 - 11 (9 + 2 mirrors)
Tp 23 spot 23 - 12 channels
Tp 23 spot 32 - 13 channels
Tp 23 spot 34 - 13 channels
Tp 23 spot 42 - 11 channels

Tp 25 spot 3 - 9 channels (8 + 1 mirror)
Tp 25 spot 5 - 18 channels (13 + 5 mirrors)
Tp 25 spot 12 - 10 channels
Tp 25 spot 14 - 14 channels (13 + 1 mirror)
Tp 25 spot 22 - 4 HD Channels (San Antonio)
Tp 25 spot 23 - 12 channels
Tp 25 spot 25 - 10 channels
Tp 25 spot 41 - 7 channels
Tp 25 spot 42 - 5 channels
Tp 25 spot 49 - 10 channels

Tp 26 spot 4 - 14 channels (12 + 2 mirrors)
Tp 26 spot 6 - 10 channels
Tp 26 spot 11 - 19 channels (13 + 6 mirrors)
Tp 26 spot 13 - 12 channels
Tp 26 spot 19 - 11 channels
Tp 26 spot 43 - 13 channels
Tp 26 spot 46 - 12 channels

Tp 27 spot 1 - 13 channels
Tp 27 spot 2 - 9 channels
Tp 27 spot 9 - 13 channels
Tp 27 spot 10 - 12 channels
Tp 27 spot 15 - 15 channels (13 + 2 mirrors)
Tp 27 spot 17 - 6 channels
Tp 27 spot 19 - 13 channels
Tp 27 spot 29 - 13 channels
Tp 27 spot 31 - 13 channels
Tp 27 spot 39 - 7 channels
Tp 27 spot 44 - 8 channels

Tp 29 spot 1 - 3 channels (room for 9 more)
Tp 29 spot 2 - 11 channels
Tp 29 spot 9 - 13 channel (12 + 1 morror)
Tp 29 spot 11 - 13 channels
Tp 29 spot 17 - 8 channels
Tp 29 spot 19 - 13 channels
Tp 29 spot 21 - 10 channels
Tp 29 spot 29 - 1 channel
Tp 29 spot 31 - 10 channels
Tp 29 spot 39 - 4 HD channels (San Diego)
Tp 29 spot 44 - 4 HD channels (Portland)

Tp 31 spot 1 - 13 channels
Tp 31 spot 5 - 11 channels (9 + 2 mirrors)
Tp 31 spot 9 - 13 channels
Tp 31 spot 11 - 12 channels
Tp 31 spot 19 - 12 channels
Tp 31 spot 21 - 4 HD channels (Dallas)
Tp 31 spot 24 - 5 channels
Tp 31 spot 37 - 5 channels
Tp 31 spot 43 - 12 channels

 

[JohnH]

There is no Tp 24 Spot 46. Most likely should be Tp 26 Spot 46 as it has more than posted here.
Gavel-to-Gavel likely a mirror.

 

[BFG]

and this is only figuring the tps and spots that have been used. There are still some that haven't been used at all

 

[TNGTony]

John, I fixed the tp24 issue.

I also did a little analisys here.

Spot beams 26, 27, 33, 36, 47 and 48 are not lit up at all yet.

Spot 26 looks like it will cover Amarillo and Lubbock.
Spot 27 Looks like it will cover San Angelo, Odessa/Midland
Spot 33 looks like it will cover Minot/Bismarck SD and North Platte, NE
Spot 36 looks like it will cover Great Falls/Billings and possibly Glendive
Spot 47 is a Hawaii Spot
Spot 48 is a spot aimed at Cuba

In addition the spot that the Corpus Christi locals are on (17) also covers Laredo and Victoria TX. There is just enough room for both on that spot as it stands.

See ya
Tony

 

[Mr Tony]

Tp 12 spot 28 - 6 channels (room for 6)

This one is for Duluth, MN and looking at the footprint, there really isn't much more they can put there. Unless the footprint covers the SE part of MN, they might be able to put Rochester/Austin/Mason City (6 channels) on that spotbeam too. Otherwise they can add Manakto (1 channel in DMA)

 

[bnaivar]

Why does Dish have a spot beam for Cuba?

 

[TNGTony]

This one is for Duluth, MN and looking at the footprint, there really isn't much more they can put there. Unless the footprint covers the SE part of MN, they might be able to put Rochester/Austin/Mason City (6 channels) on that spotbeam too. Otherwise they can add Manakto (1 channel in DMA)

Looking at the spot beam map on the EKB, spot 28 covers the entire state! And there seems to be enough bandwidth for both markets.

See ya
Tony

 

[TNGTony]

Why does Dish have a spot beam for Cuba?

Future use.

The American business community is salavating on the prospects of Cuba opening up to US businesses after Castro kicks the bucket.

See ya
Tony

 

[Mr Tony]

I don't think it covers SE MN completelly..

Tp4 is the spotbeam for Minneapolis and there have been reports that people in SE MN (who "moved") can't get Mpls locals anymore even with a 30" dish

So unless they can shift the spotbeam a little bit, Rochester may be out of the question.

 

[MikeD-C05]

So with all this extra spotbeam room then Dish can finish the Sd locals left in the country right? They need to do this so they can have an alternative for the distant locals issue. Since they have already had a court rule against them its time for an alternative. Besides they haven't done any sd locals since last August of 2005. THere is only like 40 or so left and I think they need to finish it. I would like to see my locals for my hometown up there. THen everyone would have guide data for their ota digital channels also. Then they can advertise that they are an alternative for Cable in all 50 states , Puerto Rico and maybe even CUBA?

 

[TNGTony]

Local DMAs not served by Dish right now by market size:
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96 Baton rouge (Uplinked) Coming June 15
106 Springfield/Holyoke, MA
124 Lafayette, LA (Uplinked) Coming June 15
127 Columbus, GA
129 Corpus Christi (Uplinked) Coming June 15
139 Wilmington, NC
140 Beaumont/Port Arthur, TX
148 Salisbury, MD
149 Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill, WV
151 Bangor, ME
152 Rochester, MN
153 Palm Springs, CA
154 Wheeling, WV/Steubenville, OH
156 Bimghamton, NY
158 Blioxi/(what's left of)Gulfport, MS
159 Odessa/Midland, TX
166 Utica, NY
167 Hattiesburg/Laurel (this one and Biloxi will come at the same time)
170 Yuma, AZ/El Centro, CA
172 Dothan, AL
173 Elmira, NY
174 Jackson, TN
175 Lake Charles, LA
176 Alexandria, LA
178 Watertown, NY
179 Jonesboro, AR
180 Marquette, MI
181 Harrisonburg, WV
182 Greenwood/Greenville, MS
183 Bowling Green, KY
185 Lima, OH
188 Laredo, TX
190 Parkersburg, WV
191 Lafayette, IN
193 Butte/Bozeman, MT
194 Eureka, CA
196 Bend, OR
197 San Angelo, TX

199 Ottumwa, IA/Kirksville, MO
200 Mankato, MN
201 St. Joseph, MO
202 Zanesville, OH
204 Presque Isle, ME
205 Victoria, TX
206 Helena, MT
208 Alpena, MI
209 North Platte, NE
210 Glendive, MT
Unranked - US Virgin Islands

See ya
Tony

 

[MikeD-C05]

Yep , I am in the 140 dma - Pt. Arthur/ Beaumont and I have been waiting for them to uplink this dma for a long time. I was told by someone in the engineering department of my local CBS channel that they already had a room all ready to go so they could uplink all the channels in our area , at their station and that Dish had already come down and talked to them . But here we are a year and a half later and still no uplinked locals.

Dish needs to finish the locals in sd. Then they really could tout this as a big plus in their advertising . "We have every local stations in the country on our service, so where ever you move to , we are there" . Imagine the amount of customers they could attract with all the sd locals , Hd locals in the top 50 dmas , and the most hd national channels than either Satellite or cable. I don't know how many club dish cards I have had handed back to me when the potential sub asks me : "But do we have our locals on the satellite? " This has been satellite's biggest drawback since they started. With the entire country dmas finished this would no longer be used against them in advertising from Cable. Besides , Doesn't Directv plan to uplink all the hd locals in the country by like 2007? If Dish doesn't at least have all the sd locals up on the satellite by next year they will have a hard time competiting with Directv next year .

Charlie don't you want to be first to say DISH has all the locals in the country and the most national hd channels than the competitor? Take advantage of the situation and get it done . You have a bunch of satellites you aren't even using out there and with mpeg4 , if you ever get it done right, you will be able to compress them even more and squeeze all the sd locals on the 110 and 119 sats.

 

[Mr Tony]

198 Casper/Riverton, WY

Tony that is up for customers

I dont know why Dish can't get the DMA's with 1 or 2 stations in them...I mean geez. Mankato (200) he could add right away (only one station in DMA) and import the rest of the Mpls stations like DirecTv does.

 

[TNGTony]

[198 Casper] Tony that is up for customers .

Oops! Removed it from the original post.

 

[TNGTony]

Okay, this is a consevative channel count assuming 12 Standard def channel per transponder. Here is how many more channels can be added assuming the spot beam info on the EKB is correct:

Open channels available - Spot Beam - Area

13	1  Florida Peninsula
5	2  Coastal Carolinas
5	3  Southern GA/Northern Fla (not Pensacola)
0	4  Norheast
10	5  Va/MD/SE PA/NJ/DE/NC (Probably Salisbury, MD)
3	6  Northern GA/Eastern TN/Western Carolinas/VA Panhandle
9	7  Southern AL/Extreme southern MS. FL Panhandle
12	8  NE NY, VT, NH, Maine (Bangor & Preque Isle)
0	9  Ohio,  WV, Western PA, Western NY
5	10 Souther Ohio & Ind., KY, TN, Northern AL & GA
0	11 AL/MS
4	12 Southern LA/MS
2	13 IN/MI lower P/Western Ohio (Alpena)
5	14 Northern MS, Eastern AR, Western TN, SE MO, Western KY Southern IL & IN
3	15 AR, Northern LA, North Eastern TX
7	16 SW LA, TX Nothern Gulf Shore
10	17 South TX (Laredo)
0	18 Mi western LP and UP, WI
1	19 IL
6	20 Wesern MO & AR, eastern KS & OK 
2	21 North central TX & south OK
3	22 South Central TX
12	23 Upper Pinninsula MI, WI, Extreme SE MN, Eastern IA
12	24 IA, Nothern MO, Eastern KS & ME, Extreme southern MN
14	25 South KS, most of OK Extreme north-central TX
24	26 Nothern TX panhandle, Western OK & SW KS
??	27 West TX (Unknown what tps are in this spot)
8	28 MN, East WI, Extreme east SD
11	29 Most of NE & KS (North Plate)
9	30  Eastern 2/3 of CO, NE panhandle, extreme SE WY (Cheyenne)
2	31 NM & El Paso TX
0	32 Eastern 2/3 SD, Eastern Half ND, Western MN Northern NE
12	33 ND
12	34 UT/ Extreme south ID, West CO, East NV (Grand Junction, Boise)
12	35 AZ
24	36 Central MT
19	37 Western MT, most of ID
3	38 NV
17	39 Southern CA
2	40 Extreme west MT, Northern ID, Eastern WA, NW OR
5	41 Most of ID, SE WA, Wesern OR
8	42 Central CA
12	43 Northern CA
4	44 OR, western WA (Bend)
5	45 WA, Northern OR
72	46 AK
108	47 HI
60	48 Cuba
50	49 PR, USVI

Keep in mind that HD channel require an entire tp and the net amount may be much lower than the 1/3 gross number

See ya
Tony

 

[Jim5506]

Keep in mind that HD channel require an entire tp and the net amount may be much lower than the 1/3 gross number

See ya
Tony

From looking at the data above, it looks like 4 MPEG4 HD channels fit on one TP and maybe 2 or 3 MPEG2 channels per TP depending on the bitrate.

 

[TNGTony]

Basically my point was that transponders that are partially filled with SD channels cannot carry any HD channels under the current scheme. This means that if a spot shows that it has room for 18 channels, there is only one "open" tp and one half-full, the number of HD channels is up to 4 not 6.

See ya
Tony