A question for 4K TV owners (1 Viewer)

eddie willers

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PQ does matter. All TVs are NOT equal in this regard.
While I agree with you , sadly, not everybody does. I place the percentage of people who really care about picture at about 30%. The same number of people that like music (as opposed to some current pop song of the moment) and people that actually DO have a sense of humor.
 

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While I agree with you , sadly, not everybody does. I place the percentage of people who really care about picture at about 30%. The same number of people that like music (as opposed to some current pop song of the moment) and people that actually DO have a sense of humor.
I care about PQ and what I have found is that Satellite fed television is not worthy of a 4K set. Dare I say that in the Dish forum? I can compare a live program over Dish to the live feed of the same channel over the web and see an obvious difference in sharpness.

At the store, all you will see is each set running its internal demo. All these are meant to show the maximum capabilities of the set. It's not even possible to know what the result is until you get home.

I remember 15/20 years ago the salesman at Best Buy complained how often people returned HD sets because it didn't look as good as at the store. I still see people who say they have done this with 4K sets even today.

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I care about PQ and what I have found is that Satellite fed television is not worthy of a 4K set. Dare I say that in the Dish forum?
Sure....we're talking about the 30% who care. And in today's world, if you want the finest picture to go along with your fine TV, you need broadband and 4K streaming.

And if you like gear, nothing beats the Hopper.
 

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I've has my LG OLED for three years now and nothing compares to OLED. The blacks are really black and everything just pops. One issue to be aware of, they are subject to burn in.
 
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I've has my LG OLED for three years now and nothing compares to OLED. The blacks are really black and everything just pops. One issue to be aware of, they are subject to burn in.
I have had NO burn in on my OLED ....
If your at all smart, you shouldn't have burn in issues with an OLED TV ... (cell phones are a different animal and have had burn in)
 

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I care about PQ and what I have found is that Satellite fed television is not worthy of a 4K set. Dare I say that in the Dish forum? I can compare a live program over Dish to the live feed of the same channel over the web and see an obvious difference in sharpness.

At the store, all you will see is each set running its internal demo. All these are meant to show the maximum capabilities of the set. It's not even possible to know what the result is until you get home.

I remember 15/20 years ago the salesman at Best Buy complained how often people returned HD sets because it didn't look as good as at the store. I still see people who say they have done this with 4K sets even today.

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In the stores, they have a Store Mode turned on, it's mainly set to VIVID mode ...
Heres hoping No One leaves their new set on Vivid mode once home.
 

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Actually it was Plasma's that had the burn-in problem, not LCD's. OLEDs "can" experience some image retention but it is nowhere near what it was with Plasmas
I've never personally experienced burn-in on an LCD screen of any kind. TV, phone or computer. But I saw someone somewhere say it can happen on LCD sets "it's in the manual". It's not in my manual. But I did find this one unique page under Samsung.

Many times complaints about burn-in are coming from gamers who bought an OLED set and ruined the screen. Then OLEDs are probably ill advised if the screen is primarily for gaming.

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I've never personally experienced burn-in on an LCD screen of any kind. TV, phone or computer. But I saw someone somewhere say it can happen on LCD sets "it's in the manual". It's not in my manual. But I did find this one unique page under Samsung.

Many times complaints about burn-in are coming from gamers who bought an OLED set and ruined the screen. Then OLEDs are probably ill advised if the screen is primarily for gaming.

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I did have a very serious Burn in issue with my old Samsung S7 ....
 

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Many times complaints about burn-in are coming from gamers who bought an OLED set and ruined the screen. Then OLEDs are probably ill advised if the screen is primarily for gaming.
My nephew plays about three hours of his PS4 most everyday. Not even a hint of burn in.

However, being in the TV biz most of my life, the first thing I did when my OLED arrived (the first flat screen model, the 55EF9500), was to calibrate it using Disney's WOW disc.

I'm willing to bet that all these instances of burn in was done because all the user did when the set arrived was hook up his game and get going. All in the default, store demo "VIVID" mode.
 

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I'm willing to bet that all these instances of burn in was done because all the user did when the set arrived was hook up his game and get going. All in the default, store demo "VIVID" mode.

It could be. I'm not a gamer so I only posted this as something to research. One gamer I recall said it was a first person shooter game that was the burned in image. And it was a case where he had only been on for 3 hours.

Interesting this Vivid mode. I've had my set for 2 weeks on "intelligent" mode. Now I'm looking at the other modes. They don't have one called Vivid on the Samsung but one is called Dynamic and I think thats what they call it. The screen is so bright it's hard to watch. I'll stay away from that mode.

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Interesting this Vivid mode. I've had my set for 2 weeks on "intelligent" mode. Now I'm looking at the other modes. They don't have one called Vivid on the Samsung but one is called Dynamic and I think thats what they call it. The screen is so bright it's hard to watch. I'll stay away from that mode.
Those of us in the "biz" (retired 2010) simply call it the "Torch Mode". I even called it that in my previous post, but then changed it to "Vivid" since Sony used to use that.

Be that as it may, all TV manufacturers know that, at a glance, a "brighter" TV will attract the eye and that a properly calibrated TV next to it will look dull. This is especially true under big box stores with bright, fluorescent lighting. (The same thing happens with speakers. The loudest is the "best")

Therefore, when it leaves the factory, (they have no idea which TV will come out of the box and go up on display) they will all default at the brightest, most garish picture they can so it can try and stand out against a wall of TVs.

There are now many, very good ISF type modes available today, but they will NOT be in that mode when you unbox it.

PS. That ISF I mentioned stands for the Imaging Science Foundation. It has long set the standard for proper TV calibration.
 

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I bought a Samsung QLED 80T, because the PQ and blacks are comparable to OLED, but the picture is much brighter and better for daytime or lit room viewing. Zero burn in risk. too.

It meshes perfectly with the 800T sound bar and woofer, and has a concert mode that uses the sound bar and the TV speakers.
 

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