Any plans for DTV to release new mini genies?

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How many subs do the major streaming companies have ?
I suppose they could, but .....
If AT&T ever got that strict with their service it would turn off a lot of customers. Just do what Netflix does, only one log in at a time.
 
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If AT&T ever got that strict with their service it would turn off a lot of customers. Just do what Netflix does, only one log in at a time.
And of course, they don't monitor that ...

Just like D* doesn't monitor if your home box is being used vs your one at the cottage.

If AT&T did, I'm sure it would turn off alot of subs, just like it would if any other company did that.
 
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Good point! I forgot about the lag and I guess that would be the same way with DTV over managed IPTV? The only thing I don't like about SatelliteTV going out in bad weather is if it would happen during an important part of a show.

Since more and more stuff is available on-demand, there is less and less where bad weather taking you out is a problem. Even though I don't have rain fade with cable, my biggest concern is preempting programs to talk about where the severe weather is. This is the major downside of how the ability to track and forecast tornadic cells - when I was a kid they never interrupted programming other than for 15 seconds to tell you there's a watch or warning issued. They couldn't predict tornadoes in advance and didn't have the fancy Doppler radar that show you up to the minute movements, where lightning strikes are occurring etc. :)
 
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I wish they would give us a few more tuners on the HS17 until more 4K channels come along on reverse band.

So you want them to give you more tuners now, then take them away later? Yeah, I'm sure that wouldn't be at all confusing for the average customer! :coco
 
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Couldn't they just white list only the ip address of the account holder?

If they were giving you Directv Now "for free" as a satellite subscriber for backup for rain fade or other equipment problems, they could make only work if it is used on the same home network that your Genie is on. I can't see how anyone would complain about that, if it was FREE and only intended to give you a backup in case of weather or equipment failure.

But like I said, rain fade is of such short duration, it would hardly be worth switching. Imagine the hassle if it switched in after a few seconds of interruption and it happened during one of those times where there's just enough rain to make it lose signal for a few seconds out of every minute. The cure would be worse than the disease! Also, is it going to kick in anytime you lose signal, or are they going to have some way to determine the difference between rain fade and other issues like a misaligned dish, wind blowing leaves in the way, failing LNBs etc.? Customers wouldn't understand why it is out of sync with the satellite, or why it is activating when the sky is clear. It would make the whole experience more frustrating for most.
 
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If they were giving you Directv Now "for free" as a satellite subscriber for backup for rain fade or other equipment problems, they could make only work if it is used on the same home network that your Genie is on. I can't see how anyone would complain about that, if it was FREE and only intended to give you a backup in case of weather or equipment failure.

But like I said, rain fade is of such short duration, it would hardly be worth switching. Imagine the hassle if it switched in after a few seconds of interruption and it happened during one of those times where there's just enough rain to make it lose signal for a few seconds out of every minute. The cure would be worse than the disease! Also, is it going to kick in anytime you lose signal, or are they going to have some way to determine the difference between rain fade and other issues like a misaligned dish, wind blowing leaves in the way, failing LNBs etc.? Customers wouldn't understand why it is out of sync with the satellite, or why it is activating when the sky is clear. It would make the whole experience more frustrating for most.

Good points again! Also in you other post about VOD for bad weather backup is the only thing I don't like about DTV's VOD is you have to watch the show from the beginning in order to watch the part you would have missed with bad weather.
 
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So you want them to give you more tuners now, then take them away later? Yeah, I'm sure that wouldn't be at all confusing for the average customer! :coco
Oh Slice, we’re not the average customers. :)

How many tuners does it take for 4K anyways?
 
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Oh Slice, we’re not the average customers. :)

How many tuners does it take for 4K anyways?

If they implement transponder bonding the way their CTO said a few years ago, they will deliver three 4K channels on two bonded transponders. The way the HR54 and HS17 appear to reverse two tuners per 4K has led some people to believe they will be bonding three transponders, but AFAIK there is no evidence of this. I think it is an artifact of the fact the hardware doesn't support bonded transponders in hardware (newer HS17s - the ones with the missing eSATA port - have a chip that does, FWIW...not certain about the newer HR54s but I would guess so)

We won't know for sure until we see them put bonded transponders into use, which may be many years from now at the rate that 4K channels are not happening.
 
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If they implement transponder bonding the way their CTO said a few years ago, they will deliver three 4K channels on two bonded transponders. The way the HR54 and HS17 appear to reverse two tuners per 4K has led some people to believe they will be bonding three transponders, but AFAIK there is no evidence of this. I think it is an artifact of the fact the hardware doesn't support bonded transponders in hardware (newer HS17s - the ones with the missing eSATA port - have a chip that does, FWIW...not certain about the newer HR54s but I would guess so)

We won't know for sure until we see them put bonded transponders into use, which may be many years from now at the rate that 4K channels are not happening.
Dont forget Only the HS17-500 filed for those changes.. The -100 still has a eSata... and I am not aware of anyone actually getting a newer HS17-500 They may never have been produced
 
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Dont forget Only the HS17-500 filed for those changes.. The -100 still has a eSata... and I am not aware of anyone actually getting a newer HS17-500 They may never have been produced

Well we find out about very few installs on these forums. For all we know there are some dbstalk / satelliteguys posters who have one of these HS17's and don't even realize it. You wouldn't know unless you look or try to connect an external drive and find the port isn't there.
 
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Well we find out about very few installs on these forums. For all we know there are some dbstalk / satelliteguys posters who have one of these HS17's and don't even realize it. You wouldn't know unless you look or try to connect an external drive and find the port isn't there.
I got my HS17-500 in August and it is the esata model
 
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If they implement transponder bonding the way their CTO said a few years ago, they will deliver three 4K channels on two bonded transponders. The way the HR54 and HS17 appear to reverse two tuners per 4K has led some people to believe they will be bonding three transponders, but AFAIK there is no evidence of this. I think it is an artifact of the fact the hardware doesn't support bonded transponders in hardware (newer HS17s - the ones with the missing eSATA port - have a chip that does, FWIW...not certain about the newer HR54s but I would guess so)

We won't know for sure until we see them put bonded transponders into use, which may be many years from now at the rate that 4K channels are not happening.
You mentioned Newer HR54's ... are there newer ones ?
 
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If they were giving you Directv Now "for free" as a satellite subscriber for backup for rain fade or other equipment problems, they could make only work if it is used on the same home network that your Genie is on. I can't see how anyone would complain about that, if it was FREE and only intended to give you a backup in case of weather or equipment failure.

But like I said, rain fade is of such short duration, it would hardly be worth switching. Imagine the hassle if it switched in after a few seconds of interruption and it happened during one of those times where there's just enough rain to make it lose signal for a few seconds out of every minute. The cure would be worse than the disease! Also, is it going to kick in anytime you lose signal, or are they going to have some way to determine the difference between rain fade and other issues like a misaligned dish, wind blowing leaves in the way, failing LNBs etc.? Customers wouldn't understand why it is out of sync with the satellite, or why it is activating when the sky is clear. It would make the whole experience more frustrating for most.
I've had rain fade last for over 30 mins.
 
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That does happen from time to time ... your location also often times has something to do with that. (not necessarily you)
It mainly happens in the summer with high cloud tops from thunderstorms. It's a double whammy really, you get the downpour from the storm that blocks the signal, then you get the high cloud that might be 10 miles away but high enough to block the satellite again.
 
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It mainly happens in the summer with high cloud tops from thunderstorms. It's a double whammy really, you get the downpour from the storm that blocks the signal, then you get the high cloud that might be 10 miles away but high enough to block the satellite again.
This may seem odd but most of the time it's the clouds, as in the Storm itself that is the cause blocking the signal more than the actual rain at the dish.
 
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This may seem odd but most of the time it's the clouds, as in the Storm itself that is the cause blocking the signal more than the actual rain at the dish.
It makes sense, the taller clouds have more water in them.
 
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