Apple is foolish

I never had a reception problem with my iPhone 4...

But I do have the proximity sensor issue... and issue that Apple has not said ANYTHING about. I hate chin dialing and hanging up on people I am talking to.
 
Actually, early on we had reports of how reception was better on the 4, with fewer dropouts. Now everybody wants to hold it in a way to reduce signal. Most people I see have a cover on their 3GS anyway - why not on the 4?
 
Scott Greczkowski said:
I never had a reception problem with my iPhone 4...

But I do have the proximity sensor issue... and issue that Apple has not said ANYTHING about. I hate chin dialing and hanging up on people I am talking to.

Hasn't it been reported that that particular issue is s/w so we can expect a quick fix?

Anyway, you should be ashamed of yourself, not using Bluetooth! ;)
 
Hasn't it been reported that that particular issue is s/w so we can expect a quick fix?
Nope they haven't said anything about the Proximity Sensor issue...

Anyway, you should be ashamed of yourself, not using Bluetooth! ;)
I have Bluetooth in my truck.. but not here in the office. Some days I receive no calls on my cell but then other days I get 3 or 4, to wear Blutooth all that time would look goofy. :)
 
Actually, early on we had reports of how reception was better on the 4, with fewer dropouts. Now everybody wants to hold it in a way to reduce signal. Most people I see have a cover on their 3GS anyway - why not on the 4?

I bought a $15 case and now I have no problem (I can make the problem occur when not using the case). I've never owned an iPod, iTouch, iPhone without a case. I want the extra protection it gives and I would've bought one even without the antenna issue. I've haven't experience the proximity sensor issue. But I wouldn't be surprised if Apple stays mum on it. They usually don't like to admit problems (admitting the antenna issue was a big deal for Apple) so they can keep up the appearance that their s*** don't stink.
 
Nope they haven't said anything about the Proximity Sensor issue...

I have Bluetooth in my truck.. but not here in the office. Some days I receive no calls on my cell but then other days I get 3 or 4, to wear Blutooth all that time would look goofy. :)

Scott their has been two fixes reported for the sensor issue. The first one is to remove the sim card and then re install it.

The second one is to do a restore on your phone and then set it up as a new phone. This fix does seem to work according to reports on Mac Rumor site.
 
Nope they haven't said anything about the Proximity Sensor issue...

I have Bluetooth in my truck.. but not here in the office. Some days I receive no calls on my cell but then other days I get 3 or 4, to wear Blutooth all that time would look goofy. :)

Working at home I don't care how it looks but since retirement I rarely get calls anymore. Instead, I wear the BT because I'm listening to audio books and when a call comes in the book goes on pause. Vanity is not the main issue but I think, from experience, ear pain is. Still, I use BT.
 
Maybe their new motto should be, "Think Censorship."
I don't think this is the problem...
I believe they are victims of their own success.

It was very easy to brainwash their followers when there was just a handful of them: Think Different, Magical and revolutionary and other crap...
But with their products attempting to enter mainstream, not everyone is ready to worship St. Jobs...

Add legal issues with Nokia, HTC and now NTP, fallout with Google, the PR disaster with leaked iPhone - Jobs has to pull another rabbit from the hat to make everything right again...

Diogen.
 
At least one electromagnetic engineer is less than impressed with CR's testing methodology.

Is Consumer Reports iPhone 4 antenna problem study flawed? | TiPb

Was Consumer Reports iPhone 4 antenna problem study, the one picked up by mainstream media and used to hammer Apple and iPhone 4, flawed from the get go? If you’re just joining us, after first telling users not to worry about iPhone 4 antenna problems, Consumer Reports came back and said they couldn’t recommend it based on the antenna issues — even though they still listed it as the best smartphone on the planet.

Back to the question. Electromagnetic engineer Bob Egan thinks Consumer Reports tests were, in fact, flawed:

Consumer reports “RF” engineers should know better than to think they can run an engineering grade test for an issue like this in a shielded room. And certainly not one with people in it.

He goes on to describe why — hit the read link below for the details — but he also bottom-lines it:

I’m not saying that Apple has no [hardware] problem and they surely have a [software] issue. But I’m still wondering that if the software signal algorithm was not AFU’d in the first place how many, if anyone would talking about this “problem”

What’s more:

We also don’t know if placing a finger on the antenna bridge is detuning the antenna or detuning the receiver itself. And neither does Consumer Reports.

So Apple remains silent, experts argue, consumers have or don’t have problems, and the mainstream media snowballs the story. In other words, the saga continues.

Also, Engadget got real world examples from it's editors and other tech people and reported they either success or problems with the antenna issue. There's really a wide spectrum of results for the people they talked to who had iPhone 4s. Click the link for the many hands on results.

Yes, the iPhone 4 is broken / No, the iPhone 4 is not broken -- Engadget

The controversy over the iPhone 4's antenna issues continues to grow, particularly after Consumer Reports confirmed yesterday that every iPhone 4 suffers from signal attenuation when the phone is held with the lower left corner covered -- a report that we confirmed with results from our own custom signal metering app. At this point, there's no longer any question in our minds that the iPhone 4's antenna can be made to lose signal by holding it "wrong" -- and we definitely think it's more than a little silly that simply holding the phone in your left hand has been nicknamed the "death grip."

That said, however, it's not at all clear what the real-world effects of the antenna issue actually are for most people -- as we've repeatedly said, several iPhone 4s owned by the Engadget staff (including our review unit) have never experienced so much as a single dropped call, while others suffer from signal issues that results in lost calls and unresponsive data in a dramatic way. What's more, at this point Apple's sold well over two million iPhone 4s, and we simply haven't heard the sort of outcry from users that we'd normally hear if a product this high-profile and this popular had a showstopping defect. Honestly, it's puzzling -- we know that the phone has an antenna-related problem, but we're simply not able to say what that issue actually means for everyday users.

So we're doing what we can do: we've collected reports from every member of the Engadget staff who's using the phone, as well as reached out to a variety of tech industry colleagues for their experiences. As you'll see, it seems like most of our peers seem to be doing perfectly fine with their iPhone 4s, but the people who are having problems are having maddening issues in an inconsistent way. We'd say it all comes down to the network -- particularly in New York City, where AT&T just completed a major upgrade -- but even that isn't a consistent factor in predicting experience. Ultimately, we just won't know what's really going on until Apple comes clean and addresses this issue (and the growing PR nightmare it's become), but for now we can say with some certainty that not everyone is affected, and those that are seem to be in the minority. Read on for the full report.
 
A couple more days of Apple silence and it won't matter whether this issue is real or not - Apple will face another PR disaster...

Diogen.
 
Just to throw more fire on the Nazi-esque criticisms of Apple...

Apple deleting mentions of Consumer Reports' iPhone 4 piece on forums, can't delete your thoughts -- Engadget

I just think of that 1984 Super Bowl ad they did when I read this story and just can't believe how they've come around full circle. Maybe their new motto should be, "Think Censorship."

Hahaha "Nazi-esque" wow, that isn't an over reaction. Doesn't every forum have some sort of thing they dont allow. Apple's stance is that the forum is there for help, not that sort of thing.

Man there really are some apple haters here..You also didn't show where tehy said it still is the best smart phone in the world...Wonder why? I too have a case and the issue is not there for me either..

NEXT???
 
A couple more days of Apple silence and it won't matter whether this issue is real or not - Apple will face another PR disaster...

Diogen.

I agree that no where the truth lies, Apple has some serious egg on it's face. They aren't used to this much negative PR. I've seen today where some analysts think Apple will have to issue a recall. IMO, what would more likely happen is that they will start to give away cases for free to anybody who wants one.

For me personally I like my $15 case much better than the $30 dollar bumper Apple is recommending. My case provides the same coverage around the side (thus negating the antenna issue) plus it covers the back of the phone completely. It has a thin little lip around the top of the phone to reduce the likelihood that if dropped face down, the glass would actually touch the ground.
 

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