Buying and Replacing Joey to Save Monthly Fee (1 Viewer)

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How can they tell it's owned, if the charge is still there? Does the line item on the bill show differently leased vs. owned?
 

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they are the ones leveraging the tax and paying it to the state
Leveraging ? Dish would be more than happy if NO add'l taxes were added to anything that they sold (same applies to many different types of companies). When a business advertises $29.99/mo for something, they are the ones who catch hell because when the bill comes it's actually $35.72 for that month. Doesn't matter that it's MY state that wants add'l tax or a city that adds an extra fee, the customer is paying Dish and sees it as Dish's fault ... "you didn't tell me it was going to be that much !". In actuality though, all providers, whether it's for internet, wireless phone, etc will quote you the actual, final price or as close as they can estimate when you order or make changes.
 

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Leveraging ? Dish would be more than happy if NO add'l taxes were added to anything that they sold (same applies to many different types of companies). When a business advertises $29.99/mo for something, they are the ones who catch hell because when the bill comes it's actually $35.72 for that month. Doesn't matter that it's MY state that wants add'l tax or a city that adds an extra fee, the customer is paying Dish and sees it as Dish's fault ... "you didn't tell me it was going to be that much !". In actuality though, all providers, whether it's for internet, wireless phone, etc will quote you the actual, final price or as close as they can estimate when you order or make changes.

I emailed the tax dept at Dish once and they said they “had” to collect the lease receiver taxes because the state told them to. So I’m just saying Dish knows which receivers are leased and which are not and they apply the tax accordingly
 
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In the case of a $2 tax on a $7 lease ed item, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

It pays for itself in a couple of years.

Of course that $2 may be for all the leased equipment the poster has, Hopper and Joey.
 

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Leveraging ? Dish would be more than happy if NO add'l taxes were added to anything that they sold (same applies to many different types of companies). When a business advertises $29.99/mo for something, they are the ones who catch hell because when the bill comes it's actually $35.72 for that month. Doesn't matter that it's MY state that wants add'l tax or a city that adds an extra fee, the customer is paying Dish and sees it as Dish's fault ... "you didn't tell me it was going to be that much !". In actuality though, all providers, whether it's for internet, wireless phone, etc will quote you the actual, final price or as close as they can estimate when you order or make changes.

I haven’t done any research or anything, but I would imagine if Dish wants to do business in the state, it’s something that they have to collect if required by law. I have a business license in my state and if I want the perks of it.. such as buying inventory tax free and reselling said inventory in my state, I have to collect “sales and use tax” from customers that purchase items in my nexus and pay the state those taxes once a quarter. I’m sure it’s the same for dish but on a much larger scale.
 
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Of course that $2 may be for all the leased equipment the poster has, Hopper and Joey.

Unfortunatley not. I pay $2 now on just an H3. If I buy more leased equipment the tax goes up. And it follows the sales tax rate of your zip code.. I’ve noticed the tax goes up or down based on where I “live” for local channels
 

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Leveraging...
Govt agency (state) allow collecting agency (dish) to keep a portion of the collected amount (tax) as a processing stipend. Serves to promote full reporting of tax collected.
I don't know if this is factual or not but it would be easy to dig into and find out. I know in the case of 'sales tax' in Ohio, we (as a 'seller') submit every penny that's collected back to the state.
 
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Any kind of leased equipment actually. Copiers, office equipment etc.
Cars? OUCH!
Of course that $2 may be for all the leased equipment the poster has, Hopper and Joey.
In my case, my state (Indiana) does not have such a tax or fee, but I'm curious since I paid extra to get my Joey 4K is it taxed at the same 7$/mo rate? I could see the justification for going to an on-line retailer and purchasing the equipment out-right and sending the leased boxes back to Dish. If, the monthly tax were high enough...

$2/mo vs. $249 + $149 for the Hopper 3 & 4K Joey, that's 200 months to break even. And you'd probably need to return the Hybrid LNBf as well, right? That's another 30 months or so.

Somebody in the State figured out a clever way to pay the bills, priced so it isn't worth the pain to change from a Leased to Purchased equipment. And worse, most people are locked into a two-year commitment anyway.
 

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Hah !! It wasn't someone that works for the state, it was a cableco lobbyist ! In Ohio, we have a state-level "satellite sales tax", but no "cable sales tax". Odd, huh ?
But cable has franchise fees while satellite doesn’t. The gubment gonna get it’s share everytime!
 
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Luckily, this state has no "satellite tax," but I guess the "leased equipment tax" might be just another way to tax Dish customers. The only way for me to have zero tax liability with Dish is to own my equipment outright. Then, my package (Welcome pack $22.99 + $15 DVR fee) would be the $37.99 only. I used to own all my equipment, but once I got the H3, I decided it was worth the couple dollars in tax each month in case the receiver fails, then they can just sent me a new one.
 

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Hah !! It wasn't someone that works for the state, it was a cableco lobbyist ! In Ohio, we have a state-level "satellite sales tax", but no "cable sales tax". Odd, huh ?
But cable has franchise fees while satellite doesn’t. The gubment gonna get it’s share everytime!
Okay, I'll weigh in on this. Having had cable, Directv, and Dish, I can say that the franchise fees are not anywhere near as much as the sales tax on satellite. In Ohio, we also have another wrinkle that Dish introduced on the monthly bill, an OH State Surcharge of $0.26 to cover a separate tax for doing business in Ohio. Satellite providers are not required to itemize this surcharge on the bill, and it never appeared on my Directv bill, even though Dish charged it the entire time. (Apparently, Directv just lumps it in as part of the price of the programming package.) When this surcharge first appeared on my Dish bill, it was only $0.20 per month at the time, but my bill increased by $0.21 that month, compared to the previous month. This means that Dish is also charging sales tax on the surcharge that the state does not require Dish to itemize on the bill in the first place! Yes, it is a small amount, but little discrepancies like this get me riled up, especially when it comes to taxes and fees.
 

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I bought a couple 301s, and later, a 508. I THINK I bought the 721. IIRC, it was only with the VIP series that they offered leasing and I went with that for my two ViP622 units.
 
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Okay, I'll weigh in on this. Having had cable, Directv, and Dish, I can say that the franchise fees are not anywhere near as much as the sales tax on satellite. In Ohio, we also have another wrinkle that Dish introduced on the monthly bill, an OH State Surcharge of $0.26 to cover a separate tax for doing business in Ohio. Satellite providers are not required to itemize this surcharge on the bill, and it never appeared on my Directv bill, even though Dish charged it the entire time. (Apparently, Directv just lumps it in as part of the price of the programming package.) When this surcharge first appeared on my Dish bill, it was only $0.20 per month at the time, but my bill increased by $0.21 that month, compared to the previous month. This means that Dish is also charging sales tax on the surcharge that the state does not require Dish to itemize on the bill in the first place! Yes, it is a small amount, but little discrepancies like this get me riled up, especially when it comes to taxes and fees.
Okay, talk about funny timing. I posted this rant last night. Today, my Dish bill became available to view, so I logged into my mydish account to read the bill. The surcharge is now only $0.25 (yay, it went down by a penny!) but more importantly, the sales tax on my bill is now $0.29 lower than it was last month for the exact same services, resulting in a total decrease of $0.30 on this month's bill, compared to last month's. One way to look at this is that the decrease in the sales tax now more than offsets both the OH State Surcharge and the FCC fee. Of course, the glass-half-empty side of me is saying that this decrease simply means that Dish has been over-charging me on the sales tax for the last few months, and they are just now getting around to fixing their mistake.
 

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