Can we keep track of new ATSC 3.0 stations going on the air?

N5XZS

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By using this threads anyone's can report of the new ATSC 3.0 stations going on the air.

Just put the station's call letter real rf channel ERP level and name of DMA.:)

That way we can keep track of it!:hungry

I think there are at least 3 stations like WRAL-EX
Some Phoenix stations can't think of others.

Please fill any informations what 3rd or more stations.

Thanks!!
 

N5XZS

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There will be early birds and any local news on announcement on starting the ATSC 3.0 stations in local areas.

Regardless whether you can receive the signals or not.

Heck anyones can use broadband radio receiver to tune in digital video carrier's signal to verified that stations is on the air!:bow

How hard that can be?

Should be fun tuning around to see anything new in your local areas.:)
 

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There will be early birds and any local news on announcement on starting the ATSC 3.0 stations in local areas.

Regardless whether you can receive the signals or not.

Heck anyones can use broadband radio receiver to tune in digital video carrier's signal to verified that stations is on the air!:bow

How hard that can be?

Should be fun tuning around to see anything new in your local areas.:)
How hard? Certainly not an easy process to receive ATSC 3.0 right now. See Post #14 from the link below (which you read and liked).
Phoenix Model Market Launches Next Gen TV Broadcasts
On another forum, someone from KC got in touch with a proxy buyer service in Seoul, arranged for the purchase of a hybrid ATSC 1.0 / 3.0 set-top box there and had it shipped to him here in the US. The unit is an LG AN-US800K and is apparently aimed at the prosumer market. The cost of the unit, plus the finder's fee for the buyer service, plus the shipping was about $200. Once he got it, it was only set up to be attached to an LG UHD 4K set, so he needed to get an EDID spoofer to set it up on his own TV. It also needed a power converter for US power supply. So far, he's in about $350.
 

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For me, the ATSC 3.0 stations are the ones that rabbitears shows as "off the air". I can't pick any of them up as they're testing Single Frequency Network and the signals don't go far at all.

Perhaps it is not very complicated to set up an SDR to hunt for signals, but it is almost certainly pointless as many of the early stations are simply testbeds broadcasting at power levels that may be all over the scale to investigate interference and coverage properties.

Come back after the repacks and it may begin to get interesting.
 

harshness

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There's no way for the average person to receive ATSC 3.0, because tuners for it don't as of yet exist.
Receivers exist, but they're incredibly hard to get a hold of as well as being stupid expensive.

I use the term receiver instead of tuner as these guys are so much more than a resonant circuit.
 

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For me, the ATSC 3.0 stations are the ones that rabbitears shows as "off the air". I can't pick any of them up as they're testing Single Frequency Network and the signals don't go far at all.
Their experimental ATSC 3.0 authorization was canceled. They should be back on ATSC 1.0 sooner rather than later. (If not, I'll be very interested to hear.)

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I suspect there will be a blare of trumpets from on high when any ATSC 3 stations go active, as the NAB makes a huge deal out of it.
 

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Their experimental ATSC 3.0 authorization was canceled.
The way I read it, they agreed with the Video Division to go silent based on the fact that the manufacturer couldn't make the equipment work properly.
They should be back on ATSC 1.0 sooner rather than later.
Since three of the four stations are showing effectively the same content (YouToo) and the towers aren't all that distant from each other, I would guess it is more of a case of the owner wanting to keep the channels but not wanting to foot the power bill. Their STA hints at the power consumption issue.
 

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You mean nirvana is not coming as quickly as predicted?

I’m SHOCKED!
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harshness

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Here's the dismissal letter, if you're curious.
Thank you. While the application appeared in the rabbitears information, the response from the FCC did not.

It will be interesting to see what they do when the silent STA expires and they have to go live or presumably forfeit.

So ends any Next-gen experiments in the Portland Oregon market. I recall that Portland was the only US market that was testing SFN (although I think SFN is all the rage in South Korea).
 

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All the stations (as of today) are listed below, operating on their assigned frequency and power but in ATSC 3.0 mode...

Multiple stations in Las Vegas have been set up over the last few years to operate in 3.0 mode temporarily (during NAB)
Sinclair in Baltimore was operating in 3.0 but is shut down for now (it was not SFN)
You saw the other multicaster in Portland lost his STA, so he goes back to 1.0 mode.

WRAL in Raleigh is live (UHF high power) single PLP
WJW in Cleveland is live (UHF high power) single PLP
KTVW in Phoenix is live (UHF Class A)) 2 PLP

Sinclair is in the process of building a SFN across several stations in the Dallas market, coming online soon.
SDR tuners are possible but the work to develop the GNURADIO model to make an effective receiver doesn't yet exist.

Satellite (signals) enthusiasts in those markets can use one of a number of popular SDR receivers and clearly see the new carriers.
ATSC 3.0 TVs are available in South Korea only, worth noting, the import duty to the US is fairly stiff.

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Hey, I’m that guy with the ATSC 3.0 box. If any of you happen to be in a market where ATSC 3.0 is being used and have a 4K TV, I’ll let you borrow my box as long as you foot the shipping cost (about $15)

You just need a 4K screen and enough sense to hook it up, not too difficult
 

harshness

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There was zero duty on my 3.0 box, that’s coming straight from the harmonized tariff database and my personal experience importing the box for evaluation
The evaluation part may be why that is so. If it hadn't been classed that way, things may have been much different, no?

As a matter of perhaps peculiar interest, is this a Korean domestic market piece or did it come with a 110V power configuration (Korea uses 220VAC wall sockets)?
 

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